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healthynatural
06-13-2009, 04:16 AM
OK, I've been on this natural hair journey since 2006 and i'm real upset with my hair! :angry:

it just does not seem to retain growth!!

it is now crunchy and hard, thinning very badly and looks a mess, i have hardly any nape,my edges dropped out because i had amla oil in my hair whilst the temperature of my shower decided to go hot by itself!! :angry: (thermostat broke!)

the ends of my hair have been cut several times by myself and my stylist but my hair still sheds, when i run my hands through my brillo pad hair hair falls out!!!

i am now protective styling with wigs as i do not feel comfortable with anyone seeing my hair!!

i moisturise and seal my hair daily

i co wash twice a week.

products i use: shea butter,coconut oil, sulphur growth oil (on scalp) herbal essence hello hydration, indian powders

when my hair is brittle i put curl activatoron it!!!

I asked my husband how he would feel if i have a bald head, as i really want to chop it all off, but he did not seem to impressed, i'm not showing my hair anyway,so cutting it all off should be no problem!!

i went to my stylist who told me it did not need to be cut off, she washed, deep conditioned it...put herbs in my hair, put me under the steamer, blow- dried my hair and dusted 1 inch off...she also put me under the RED UV Light.

that is the first time i used heat on my hair since 2000 and it did not look too bad, just very thin/fine/fragile.

my stylist told me i should not BC, I should come to her every two weeks for the same treatment!! :huh:
she also said my pores on my scalp are so tight and needed to "relax" and open up so hair can flow through easily, she gave me a head massage with essensial oils....the whole experience was lovely!!!

i left the salon feeling a million dollars, i also have been trimming my hair since this experience...but i hate my hair!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: i just want it gone!!!

i want it to re grow back thick, healthy and beautiful, i need my edges and nape back!!!!!!!!!!!!
(i lost the nape after my two pregnancies!)

i drink 3 litres of water daily
i take biotin, vitamin b complex,garlic pills,chlorella,spirulina...

i have a high protein diet, i exercise by walking a mile a day!!!

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? IS MY HAIR JUST DAMAGED AND NEEDS TO GO????

PLEASE HELP ME, THIS ISSUE IS AFFECTING MY ALREADY LOW SELF ESTEEM...I JUST WANT TO LOVE MYSELF AGAIN AND MY HAIR!!!

Lady Xi
06-13-2009, 04:33 AM
i want it to re grow back thick, healthy and beautiful, i need my edges and nape back!!!!!!!!!!!!
(i lost the nape after my two pregnancies!)


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Honestly, I think If you are comfortable with the notion, Go ahead and chop it all off. It seems like it would be better to shave it off and nourish your hair from the root as it grows out. Maybe the best reconstruction to getting your hair where you want it to be would to start all over!! ^_^


Scalp massages with EO's are a great idea...but you could get away with doing those yourself instead of putting a dent in your wallet at the hair salon! Rosemary is good for stimulating hair growth...and So is the horsetail herb

Plus: It can only benefit you and your self-esteem to do something that you are comfortable with! Love yourself, girl! Do You...and Get to a place where you want/need to be with yourself and your hair :blush:

GalaxyGirl2012
06-13-2009, 04:56 AM
OK, I've been on this natural hair journey since 2006 and i'm real upset with my hair! :angry:

it just does not seem to retain growth!!

it is now crunchy and hard, thinning very badly and looks a mess, i have hardly any nape,my edges dropped out because i had amla oil in my hair whilst the temperature of my shower decided to go hot by itself!! :angry: (thermostat broke!)

the ends of my hair have been cut several times by myself and my stylist but my hair still sheds, when i run my hands through my brillo pad hair hair falls out!!!

i am now protective styling with wigs as i do not feel comfortable with anyone seeing my hair!!

i moisturise and seal my hair daily

i co wash twice a week.

products i use: shea butter,coconut oil, sulphur growth oil (on scalp) herbal essence hello hydration, indian powders

when my hair is brittle i put curl activatoron it!!!

I asked my husband how he would feel if i have a bald head, as i really want to chop it all off, but he did not seem to impressed, i'm not showing my hair anyway,so cutting it all off should be no problem!!

i went to my stylist who told me it did not need to be cut off, she washed, deep conditioned it...put herbs in my hair, put me under the steamer, blow- dried my hair and dusted 1 inch off...she also put me under the RED UV Light.

that is the first time i used heat on my hair since 2000 and it did not look too bad, just very thin/fine/fragile.

my stylist told me i should not BC, I should come to her every two weeks for the same treatment!! :huh:
she also said my pores on my scalp are so tight and needed to "relax" and open up so hair can flow through easily, she gave me a head massage with essensial oils....the whole experience was lovely!!!

i left the salon feeling a million dollars, i also have been trimming my hair since this experience...but i hate my hair!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: i just want it gone!!!

i want it to re grow back thick, healthy and beautiful, i need my edges and nape back!!!!!!!!!!!!
(i lost the nape after my two pregnancies!)

i drink 3 litres of water daily
i take biotin, vitamin b complex,garlic pills,chlorella,spirulina...

i have a high protein diet, i exercise by walking a mile a day!!!

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? IS MY HAIR JUST DAMAGED AND NEEDS TO GO????

PLEASE HELP ME, THIS ISSUE IS AFFECTING MY ALREADY LOW SELF ESTEEM...I JUST WANT TO LOVE MYSELF AGAIN AND MY HAIR!!!
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sorry but i don't understand how amla+hot water caused your edges to fall out?

anyway, sounds like your hair doesn't like any of the products you are using. i know for my hair shea butter and coconut oil is not moisturizing. not at all. in fact my hate hates shea butter like it ate it's last cookie. hello hydration has tons of -cones in it and that stuff can cause build up. i'd also drop the sulfur 8 crap as well.
what moisture products are you using?

what's your general routine like? how do you style your hair? do you comb and brush it often? what conditioner and shampoo are you using?

healthynatural
06-13-2009, 04:57 AM
Honestly, I think If you are comfortable with the notion, Go ahead and chop it all off. It seems like it would be better to shave it off and nourish your hair from the root as it grows out. Maybe the best reconstruction to getting your hair where you want it to be would to start all over!! ^_^
Scalp massages with EO's are a great idea...but you could get away with doing those yourself instead of putting a dent in your wallet at the hair salon! Rosemary is good for stimulating hair growth...and So is the horsetail herb

Plus: It can only benefit you and your self-esteem to do something that you are comfortable with! Love yourself, girl! Do You...and Get to a place where you want/need to be with yourself and your hair :blush:
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I wont be comfortable, but I am covering up my hair with wigs and want a head full of healthy hair, so this maybe my only choice..

i will be doing scalp massages, but wonder how i should dilute the oils?

sighs...

Lady Xi
06-13-2009, 05:01 AM
I wont be comfortable, but I am covering up my hair with wigs and want a head full of healthy hair, so this maybe my only choice..

i will be doing scalp massages, but wonder how i should dilute the oils?

sighs...
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usually EO's need a carrier oil....Extra Virgin Olive Oil....Mix in a spray bottle with water and several drops of EO


Galaxy girl has valid point as well....maybe you need to change up your products

GalaxyGirl2012
06-13-2009, 05:02 AM
I wont be comfortable, but I am covering up my hair with wigs and want a head full of healthy hair, so this maybe my only choice..

i will be doing scalp massages, but wonder how i should dilute the oils?

sighs...
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personally i'd advise to not run around like a chicken with its head cut off in the pursuit of potions to put on your scalp to make your hair grow faster. mainly because you don't have the fundamentals of what your hair needs once it's grown. what's the purpose of super fast growing hair if you can't retain any of it.. plus many of the essential oils that might be good for scalp stimulation are incredibly drying to hair. so once again if you have already dry hair and are adding products that will make it dryer.. you're shooting yourself in the foot.

i understand that your confidence is built around what your hair looks like, but stop panicing! piling more products on your head will not help :)

let us know exactly what your routine is... that way we can help pinpoint of where your problems might lie :)

healthynatural
06-13-2009, 05:05 AM
sorry but i don't understand how amla+hot water caused your edges to fall out?

anyway, sounds like your hair doesn't like any of the products you are using. i know for my hair shea butter and coconut oil is not moisturizing. not at all. in fact my hate hates shea butter like it ate it's last cookie. hello hydration has tons of -cones in it and that stuff can cause build up. i'd also drop the sulfur 8 crap as well.
what moisture products are you using?

what's your general routine like? how do you style your hair? do you comb and brush it often? what conditioner and shampoo are you using?
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i pre pooed with amla oil, then went to co wash my hair.the thermostat in the shower went and it turned boiling hot...causing me to lose fistfuls of my hair (at the front!) i even made a post about it on here!!

it looks like its grown an inch since there but still looks a hot mess.

for moisture i use de louise's sheaamla creme (http://www.mydelouisenaturals.com) and seal with black jamaican castor oil

i have only used herbal essence hello hydration twice, before that i was using elasta qp dpr, i do not use shampoo as it dries my hair out very bad,

when i wish to clarify, i use eqyss shampoo(probably once a month!)

please help.....:(

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healthynatural
06-13-2009, 05:24 AM
personally i'd advise to not run around like a chicken with its head cut off in the pursuit of potions to put on your scalp to make your hair grow faster. mainly because you don't have the fundamentals of what your hair needs once it's grown. what's the purpose of super fast growing hair if you can't retain any of it.. plus many of the essential oils that might be good for scalp stimulation are incredibly drying to hair. so once again if you have already dry hair and are adding products that will make it dryer.. you're shooting yourself in the foot.

i understand that your confidence is built around what your hair looks like, but stop panicing! piling more products on your head will not help :)

let us know exactly what your routine is... that way we can help pinpoint of where your problems might lie :)
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thanks for the love ladies (wiping tears from my eyes!)
headless chicken!! :lol:

Ok, i KEEP MY HAIR IN TWISTS/cornrows under my wigs, i re do these twists weekly, i co wash my hair with the twists in twice a week!! i moisturise and seal daily with shea amla creme and black castor oil.

i also spritz my hair with rose water daily, sometimes with added glycerine.

i used to use indian powders, but dont anymore, as i dont even know if it was doing anything for my hair!!

when i transitioned to natural, i kept my permed ends- so i'm wondering if this is causing my problem? do i have scab hair?

what do you ladies think about my stylists comments? my pores are so tight, that my hair is struggling to squeeze through? is this possible?



my husbands hair is my dream hair, it is thick natural, type - 4- and at arm pit length.
he keeps it cornrowed up, uses no products but washes it every few days...
(he has done the BC 3 times, since we met 11 years ago!!!

but his hair grows like weeds although he does not even really care for it!!!

sometimes he looks at my hair like... :huh: but he compliments it.

i have spent thousands of dollars on my hair, but i have nothing to show for it.

i want a nice simple regime, that works....

i can email pics to a vet, so i can be pointed into the right direction?

GalaxyGirl2012
06-13-2009, 05:25 AM
omg i remember that hot water thread now. :( so glad to hear (well read) that your scalp isn't damaged and your hair is growing :)


i can't find the ingredients for the sheaamla cream, but one thing that concerns me about it is this : It helps slow down the formation of split ends, ... that signals to me that there's protein in it. that means that it's coating your hair shaft, which is a little unnecessary as a natural since we do less damaging things to our hair.

it's also possible that your hair doesn't like any of the ingredients..

my suggestion would be to start out on an ingredient by ingredient basis to determine what your hair likes. by that i mean avoid commercial products for a while since they have several things going on in them

here are some common ingredients people use here:
moisture : water (ie maybe it's a hard water issue?); glycerin; honey; molasses, aloe vera; castor oil (which is technically a humectant)

sealants : Oils (jojoba, coconut, avocado, vitamin e, olive, etc) Butters (shea, cocoa, etc)

proteins : animal based, soy, wheat

the next step would be to determine what ratios your hair likes of moisture to sealant, some people can get away with 50/50 others need much less, and some people's hair hates all oils and butters. as for protein you might discover that your hair doesn't need it at all.

the next step is to read product labels and go with ones that contain the ingredients your hair likes.

it might take some time, but being systematic now will save you years of anxiety :)

Lady Xi
06-13-2009, 05:28 AM
thanks for the love ladies (wiping tears from my eyes!)


what do you ladies think about my stylists comments? my pores are so tight, that my hair is struggling to squeeze through? is this possible?
my husbands hair is my dream hair, it is thick natural, type - 4- and at arm pit length.
he keeps it cornrowed up, uses no products but washes it every few days...
(he has done the BC 3 times, since we met 11 years ago!!!

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maybe some of those products are clogging your pores causing sebum and excess oil to build up on your scalp...ditch something and note the effect if any...maybe try clarifying more frequently

GalaxyGirl2012
06-13-2009, 05:34 AM
what do you ladies think about my stylists comments? my pores are so tight, that my hair is struggling to squeeze through? is this possible?
my husbands hair is my dream hair, it is thick natural, type - 4- and at arm pit length.
he keeps it cornrowed up, uses no products but washes it every few days...
(he has done the BC 3 times, since we met 11 years ago!!!

but his hair grows like weeds although he does not even really care for it!!!

sometimes he looks at my hair like... :huh: but he compliments it.

i have spent thousands of dollars on my hair, but i have nothing to show for it.

i want a nice simple regime, that works....

i can email pics to a vet, so i can be pointed into the right direction?
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i think your stylist needs to be fired :lol: it sounds like your hair is growing fine (keep in mind, average hair growth is 1/3-1/2 an inch per month)

to be honest simpler routine works wonder for me as well. i noticed that my hair retains more growth the less i fool with it - including the application of scalp potions... and it grows like a tomato plant when i completely forget about it :lol:

also are you wearing a wig cap over your hair? it's possible that the wig can be sucking out some of your hair goodness as well.

also is that sheaamla cream dos contain protein, you dont want to use it daily... can you post the ingredients?

healthynatural
06-13-2009, 05:52 AM
i just wish one of you ladies could take a look at my hair and diagnose what it needs!!

i do have hard water and want to buy a filter for my new shower very soon.

lol @ stylist needs to get fired!! :lol:

i agree that the products could be clogging my pores, i was thinking about baking soda as a clarifier, but what do i mix it up with?

i put some world of curls moisturiser in my hair, the roots feel so much better than the length of my hair.

yes, i wear a wig cap over my hair and spritz with rosewater before applying the wig!!

i sleep with a satin scarf at night.

ingredients for sheanourish creme: whipped shea butter,cocoa buttr,avocado butter,plant based oils, essential oils and vitamins...

i use this stuff in my childrens hairs too and their hairs react well with it.

who feels the permed ends have alted my progress?

Lady Xi
06-13-2009, 05:59 AM
i agree that the products could be clogging my pores, i was thinking about baking soda as a clarifier, but what do i mix it up with?
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Just mix with warm water to make it a solution



who feels the permed ends have alted my progress?
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You said you've been natural for a while now....all of your permed ends havent broken off yet? If they were causing any damage , I'd think it would be split ends....and sense your stylist didnt try to chop all your hair off your head I think you are good in that department! lol Look into the protien-overload notion Galaxygirl mentioned...it could be a major culprit in the dryness and abrassive texture of your hair....especially since you get plenty of protein in your diet

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i just wish one of you ladies could take a look at my hair and diagnose what it needs!![/b]
Does the stylist you go to work mainly with relaxed hair?? Are there any natural hair care specialists in your area. Maybe It would help to get the run down from someone who can actually run their fingers thru your hair!

healthynatural
06-13-2009, 06:10 AM
Just mix with warm water to make it a solution
You said you've been natural for a while now....all of your permed ends havent broken off yet? If they were causing any damage , I'd think it would be split ends....and sense your stylist didnt try to chop all your head off I think you are good in that department! lol Look into the protien-overload notion Galaxygirl mentioned...it could be a major culprit in the dryness and abrassive texture of your hair....especially since you get plenty of protein in your diet

ETA

Does the stylist you go to work mainly with relaxed hair?? Are there any natural hair care specialists in your area. Maybe It would help to get the run down from someone who can actually run their fingers thru your hair!
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the stylist works with both relaxed and natural hair, she is the only stylist i know that works with natural hair!

something tells me the stylist did not want to give me the BC as she wanted me to keep coming back, if i had a BC i could've looked after it by myself

i've been on this hair thing so long, but feel my knowledge is not doing very great :(

i'm not sure if all my perm ends have gone, buut the middle/ends of my hair are different from the roots!

Lady Xi
06-13-2009, 06:15 AM
i've been on this hair thing so long, but feel my knowledge is not doing very great :(

i'm not sure if all my perm ends have gone, buut the middle/ends of my hair are different from the roots!
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So you never actually BCd before and had the relaxed ends chopped off?? I wonder why she wouldnt do the BC for you then.....that's Uber weird :icon_ShiftyEye: Have you considered doing your own BC?

healthynatural
06-13-2009, 06:24 AM
So you never actually BCd before and had the relaxed ends chopped off?? I wonder why she wouldnt do the BC for you then.....that's Uber weird :icon_ShiftyEye: Have you considered doing your own BC?
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she claimed i did not need to BC as she can help nurse my hair to health..

every few weeks i have been taking off half an inch of hair, my hair snaps when i touch it and sheds horribly... :angry: just running my fingers through my hair i get loads of strands have hair on my hands!!!

this sucks

napp-in-progress
06-13-2009, 08:17 AM
if i was you..
i'd cut it ALL off
i'd like for my hair and scalp to be healthy.. :huh:

healthynatural
06-13-2009, 08:53 AM
if i was you..
i'd cut it ALL off
i'd like for my hair and scalp to be healthy.. :huh:
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##i'm trying to find the courage :rolleyes:
i just chopped off some in the mirror, its not falling out as bad,

i'm loving all the bc pics i keep viewing, i just need to keep invisioning myself with a complete bald head!!! :P chants:i can do it,i can do it!!!

GalaxyGirl2012
06-13-2009, 09:05 AM
aahhh hooked on phonics didn't work for me so i didnt realize that you still hadn't chopped off your relaxed ends. there's your problem ... :)

gr2006
06-13-2009, 10:34 AM
OP, you've got some fantastic advice from the ladies - not much to add here.

If you have a hard water problem, you can buy a chelating shampoo to help remove it and I'd suggest you use distilled water as your final rinse.

The other thing that I wondered about when you mentioned shedding - you could be anemic. Too many women suffer from anemia and don't even know it unless they get tested by a doc or if you're going to give blood. Iron deficiency can cause all sorts of hair troubles including shedding and weak hair.

Is your hair actually shedding (you can feel the root of the hair when you run your fingers along the strand) or is it breakage (lots of short pieces)?

Blossom34
06-13-2009, 11:05 AM
:hug: First let me say how sorry I am that you are having problems with your hair. As far as cutting it off. I see nothing wrong with doing that. But darling it's all in your self-esteem. I shaved (baldie) for my BC twice, but I worked it. Tweek your jewelry and make-up. Make it stylish for you!! On the morning of my BC, I shaved my head and put on some big hoop earrings and my make up child!! Hmmmm, I dared anybody to tell me I did'nt look good. I would've given them the :icon_twak: . Im sure cutting it and starting over would be good for you. But make sure you're ready my dear. With tender love and care, your hair will grow back healthy!! Good luck!

LBellatrix
06-13-2009, 11:54 AM
Go to your stylist and tell her to cut your hair off. If she won't do it, GET UP, GET OUT, and find someone who will. You pay her to do what YOU ask, not to be her experiment.

I was going to suggest that you tell her to just cut off the relaxed ends but it sounds like you need to start from scratch and that means TWA.

THEN once you have the TWA you need to be SIMPLE with the routine and the products. That means paying attention to ingredients (re GG's post earlier) and not doing much to it (you don't need to do much to a TWA).

And please stop with the wigs. I'm not sure I buy the whole clogged pores thing but I do believe in giving one's scalp as much fresh air as possible.

Tessa08
06-13-2009, 12:54 PM
wow, the tile was a LITTLE misleading. Anyway, if you want it cut there are a million who can do it. You will have a much more pleasant experience if you go to someone who is ready to perform the service you request without laying on the guilt, doesn't seem like your stylist can do this. There are many wonderful barbers who can cut it and shape it up real nice.

aeburo
06-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Go to your stylist and tell her to cut your hair off. If she won't do it, GET UP, GET OUT, and find someone who will.[/b]

When I was ready to BC, the stylist I was going to seemed reluctant to give me a BC. She wanted me to continue coming to her for treatments. However, I was ready after transitioning 1-2 months and wasn't trying to hear about long-term transitioning so that she could continue making money off me. I went to the barber and had that mess shaved off.

I'll admit...I freaked out afterwards, but I soon fell in love with my TTWA and worked it like a Paris runway model. Like the Appleblossom34 stated, you have to work it with confidence.

anabwi
06-13-2009, 02:00 PM
You want to cut all your hair off but your stylist won't? Then, you need a NEW stylist, end of story.

life09
06-13-2009, 02:32 PM
D.a.m.n!!! All these problems with your hair and from ur regiment, it seems like u take care of it. Like the other ladies say It may be too many products with not so good ingredients. I also think it could be something wrong inside ur body.

Now you could also sit there and try to nurse your hair back to help which could take months, continue snipping off ends little by little and maybe have a good head of hair in a year or so or........

You can just chop that sucka off!!!! I think thats the best option. You cut off all that damaged hair and just start refreshed. Start taking care of ur body inside and it'll start showing outside. Maybe go to a doctor and see if there really is a problem on the inside. Once u shave ur hair will start growing in a matter of months and with the GREAT advice uve been getting you know how to take care of it better. Using less products, less protien, no hard water and NO BROKEN THERMOSTATS!!! lol

I really hope everything works out for you. Please post a forum telling us how everything goes and whether u decided to chop (chop! chop! chop!) or bring what you have back to life.

healthynatural
06-13-2009, 03:29 PM
OP, you've got some fantastic advice from the ladies - not much to add here.

If you have a hard water problem, you can buy a chelating shampoo to help remove it and I'd suggest you use distilled water as your final rinse.

The other thing that I wondered about when you mentioned shedding - you could be anemic. Too many women suffer from anemia and don't even know it unless they get tested by a doc or if you're going to give blood. Iron deficiency can cause all sorts of hair troubles including shedding and weak hair.

Is your hair actually shedding (you can feel the root of the hair when you run your fingers along the strand) or is it breakage (lots of short pieces)?
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i just typed a long reply and the forum crashed <_<

what chelating shampoo should i use? shampoo is very drying so i would love a natural one.

my husband told me we can BC together, but i will feel bad letting him cut off his beautiful hair!!! i will have the courage to do it myself!!

i was anaemic, but since taking spirulina my bloods have gone back to normal!!! yay!!!

it is actually breakage as it is short pieces of hair. :blush:





aahhh hooked on phonics didn&#39;t work for me so i didnt realize that you still hadn&#39;t chopped off your relaxed ends. there&#39;s your problem ... :)
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i do feel the "curly permed" ends are my problem, i can actually feel the different texture. i need to up my courage, i cut off an inch today.lol i need to get used to my self with NO HAIR!!! OMG my family will think i have gone crazy :lol:



:hug: First let me say how sorry I am that you are having problems with your hair. As far as cutting it off. I see nothing wrong with doing that. But darling it&#39;s all in your self-esteem. I shaved (baldie) for my BC twice, but I worked it. Tweek your jewelry and make-up. Make it stylish for you!! On the morning of my BC, I shaved my head and put on some big hoop earrings and my make up child!! Hmmmm, I dared anybody to tell me I did&#39;nt look good. I would&#39;ve given them the :icon_twak: . Im sure cutting it and starting over would be good for you. But make sure you&#39;re ready my dear. With tender love and care, your hair will grow back healthy!! Good luck!
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thank you beautiful queen, and look how great you look with your BC!!!! :hug:
why did you BC twice?

thank you so much for your advice, it is appreciated.

kripee
06-13-2009, 04:03 PM
I agree with the sisters who are suggesting that there could be an underlying health issue causing your hair issues. Anemia, vitamin deficiency, even hormonal problems could be contributing. However, my two most recent stylists have always said a clean scalp is a healthy scalp. I don&#39;t know to much about co-washing and I know that is a big trend, but perhaps just mild shampoo and leave-in conditioner would help, along with scalp massage with an oil like jojoba; just make sure its 100% pure. No petroleum products.

Maybe taking a multi-vitamin, drinking more water, and eating more veggies and fruit with small portions of protein, if it is diet related. If you are already a vegetarian, have your B-vitamin levels checked. My mother in law is a pure vegetarian and her hair is always shedding. But she is low on Vitamin B and D. Just a thought.

canarsiechik88
06-13-2009, 05:00 PM
^^ I was going to type the same thing about your diet!. Right now I have braids and it tends to grow faster ( if you&#39;re concern about length) I used to complain about hair length...(time to time now) but like GG said, the less you do, the better.

And as I mentioned in another thread, ms. lady wants more of your money. Putting any form of h.eat in your hair is bad. just cut the sukka off, start over, change hair routine and be patient

BlackAngelPlayah
06-13-2009, 07:06 PM
Yep that balanced diet is important. And please stop wearing them wigs all the time. They sweat, they hot and they RUB OUT YOUR HAIR!!!

Now.. I&#39;m so sorry you hate your hair so much, and it may be a good idea to chop it again. Heck, shave it off if you&#39;d like... But it will grow back.. And it will be the same hair you have now. Just as hard. Just as course.. And that is hard to deal with until you get your mind set that your hair may not look and feel like you WANT it to, but it is just like it&#39;s supposed to be. Texture and health are two different things. ( I may have missed somethink in your post, if I did I&#39;m sorry, but all I hear is a lot of "I hate my hair!!!"..) I understand you&#39;re losing hair. Well, eating right, staying hydrated and adding a multivitamin will probably help. (Along with LEAVING THE WIG AT HOME.) Another reason your hair might feel so hard is too much protein and using oil when your hair doesn&#39;t work well with oil. I&#39;m still trying to get the hang of the whole products with "moisture" as opposed to with protein. I been just adding glycerin to all of them and my hair is softer. MUCH softer.

Anyway, I do hope your hair issues are soon resolved, and you start loving your hair again. There is another option, how do you look with a close cut hair do? If it is more pleasing to you, you can just keep it cut short. REAL short. There&#39;s no crime in it. There&#39;s a girl here with a practically bald head and she is GORGEOUS with it!! No one said you HAD to have hair. :hug:


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lizzes
06-13-2009, 07:13 PM
my husbands hair is my dream hair, it is thick natural, type - 4- and at arm pit length.
he keeps it cornrowed up, uses no products but washes it every few days...
(he has done the BC 3 times, since we met 11 years ago!!!

but his hair grows like weeds although he does not even really care for it!!!

sometimes he looks at my hair like... :huh: but he compliments it.

i have spent thousands of dollars on my hair, but i have nothing to show for it.

i want a nice simple regime, that works....

i can email pics to a vet, so i can be pointed into the right direction?
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Why not use your husband&#39;s regiment? He&#39;s already shown you that it works.

Soul Rebel
06-13-2009, 07:25 PM
Clearly the having two textures thing isn&#39;t working and you need to just chop the relaxed ends. Your goal is to be fully natural, yes? It&#39;s really much ado about nothing. Just do the BC. If that stylist won&#39;t do it, find another who will. It&#39;ll be much easier to determine a functional hair program once you get rid of what is clearly not working. ALSO - even if the wig isn&#39;t bothering your scalp (which it can) the friction on your hair certainly isn&#39;t helping with the breakage issues. I can only imagine what my fragile-ish hair would look like if I left it in a wig all the time.

Just BC. It&#39;ll make your hair life much easier.

SaPhia
06-13-2009, 07:49 PM
Why not use your husband&#39;s regiment? He&#39;s already shown you that it works.
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That&#39;s what I was gonna say! Cut off the ends and simplify your routine.

Do they train stylists to encourage their customers&#39; unhealthy hair practices? :unsure:

NewlyNappyNelle
06-13-2009, 08:33 PM
And look through the products section. You need a mild, moisturizing shampoo (I suggest Chagrin Valley Soaps... Mud & Clay Poo bar) and a MOISTURIZING DEEP CONDITIONER. You have way too many proteins and oils in your regimen without any moisture--hence, the dry hair. Also, I would co-wash with a purely moisturizing conditioner, with no cones or proteins and mostly natural ingredients (I like Trader Joe&#39;s Citrus Conditioner).


Please update us soon and YES, it is beyond time to chop those &#39;curly perm&#39;ed ends off. They are robbing your hair of the moisture you need and you don&#39;t need a stylist to str8n and trim if you want healthynatural hair as your name describes.

We are all trying to help but I think the board is unanimous in the chopping. You don&#39;t have to be bald, but you can get rid of the chemical ends.

HTH! :wub:

GalaxyGirl2012
06-13-2009, 09:45 PM
plus summer time is THE best time to BC and rock a TTWA :D after several years of bing napptural I BCed again last august because I decided to stop coloring. it hasn&#39;t been a year yet and this entire time I&#39;ve just been doing the things I learned my hair likes through trial and error! The result is that I&#39;ve retained so much growth to the point where I&#39;m almost back to where I chopped from last year :D And I don&#39;t have "fast" growing hair either, i get maybe 1/2" at the most but usually it&#39;s less than that.

for the hard water you can also try a shower filter as well, as I&#39;m sure what&#39;s coming out isn&#39;t that good on your skin either..
shampoos are very iffy for me as well but my hair really likes Aveda Sap Moss .. one day I will give those chagrin valley bars try since I hear so much about them. I figure if my hair hates them them I can just use it as body soap (where old shampoos go to die in my house)

I co-sign with (jah)nelle on the conditioners. Other ones that I have found to be extremely moisturizing are Aveda Brilliant (and the most expensive); Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose (mid-priced); and of course Trader Joe&#39;s Citrus

as for leave-in ingredients, i&#39;ve found that my hair loves glycerin, aloe, honey, jojoba oil (in the winter) and WATER WATER WATER. so now I make sure all my leave-ins/post cowashings have tons of that stuff in it. I&#39;ve found that with the right combination of simple products, I no longer have to do daily moisturizing because my hair stays moisturized between washings

simplypoetic08@yahoo.com
06-14-2009, 02:24 AM
Okay firstly I say you should BC. I understand you&#39;ll miss your hair and the stylists thinks it can be fixed, but the hair on your hair is damaged and it may need to come off. From there I say you should start learning your hair all over again because your haor is HATING what you are putting in it.
There are a few things that I tried that didn&#39;t work like it worked for my mother, or someone on NP.

healthynatural
06-14-2009, 01:55 PM
thank you all for your replies, i am nodding in agreement with several of you.

i really do not feel i have any health problems, i was anaemic but i&#39;m not no longer.
the problem is my curly permed ends, i cut more last night and trying to get used to myself with uber short hair.

i eat a clean diet, filled with proteins, fruit and veg, i drink a lot of water.

the shedding/breakage has stopped :D

i am going to use only natural products from now on, i will also keep my hair in cornrows under the wig(sorry ladies i cant get rid of the wigs for now!!)

i think i will be ordering the chargin valley moisturising soaps and using healingherbsbyrene&#39;s products as her herbal mist keeps my hair lovely and moist.

i know i will have 5 inches of healthy hair by next week. i will update you guys very soon.

peace,blessings and love to you all :wub: :wub: :wub:

canarsiechik88
06-14-2009, 02:02 PM
Girl get rid of the wig :D lol cause next thing you know we&#39;ll see the thread saying &#39;I&#39;m a wig-a-holic!!" lol

Are you going to bc?

healthynatural
06-14-2009, 04:04 PM
Girl get rid of the wig :D lol cause next thing you know we&#39;ll see the thread saying &#39;I&#39;m a wig-a-holic!!" lol

Are you going to bc?
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soon i will get rid of the wigs, lol

i hope to BC, I cut off ALL the permed ends today :D so, i will assess my hair for a week before i make the big decision!!!

i also ordered my new natural stuff

canarsiechik88
06-14-2009, 05:16 PM
make sure you don&#39;t spend X amount of products as well. Being natural is not expensive at all!!

**countdown till u get rid of the wig***

Scribetastic
06-14-2009, 08:30 PM
It&#39;s YOUR hair. Cut it off if you want.

Also, if you&#39;ve been going to this stylist for 2 or so years, I think there are just too many products going on your hair.

I use an aloe-based pomade to set twists. I co-wash, deep condition and bond my hair with an Aphogee protein treatment every couple of months. My hair is soft, but I keep my routine VERY simple. I simply don&#39;t think you need all that stuff and I don&#39;t think oils moisturize or strengthen hair either. In some cases, and I think you&#39;re one of them, oils make it much worse.

I think your husband&#39;s routine is best. My hair is fragile and it always has been. For me, less is more. I&#39;m also an insulin dependent diabetic. I&#39;ve got some challenges regarding retaining length, but what I do have is in good condition and soft.

Iris74B
06-15-2009, 10:08 PM
You may need to go to an physican, GYN or endocrinologist and have a full bloodworkup.

Health conditions that can cause hair to fall out or thin out:

Thyroid problems
Diabetes
Iron overload (from taking iron supplements when you are not anemic)
Perimenopause
Menopause

A fungal infection of the scalp can cause hair loss as well

There is also alopecia which is immune system related





Amyla oil makes my scalp itch and burn...possibly you are allergic to the stuff

There is also the possiblity that the hot water and the amyla oil burned your scalp as well

bhop13
06-16-2009, 11:08 AM
my husband told me we can BC together, but i will feel bad letting him cut off his beautiful hair!!! i will have the courage to do it myself!!

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I have nothing to add to this because there is already ton of great advice but I just wanted to say that this is so very sweet. It&#39;s awesome that you have such a supportive husband....good stuff :D :D