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nappylove
01-19-2005, 04:21 AM
Jack Johnson — the first African-American Heavyweight Champion of the World, whose dominance over his white opponents spurred furious debates and race riots in the early 20th century — enters the ring once again in January 2005 when PBS airs Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson, a provocative new PBS documentary by acclaimed filmmaker Ken Burns. The two-part film airs on PBS Monday-Tuesday January 17-18, 2005, 9:00-11:00 p.m. ET (check local listings).
It comes on again on the 19, 22 and some other syas, just go to WWW.PBS.ORG. Peace.
akajewel
01-19-2005, 04:26 AM
I watched tonight and found myself really disliking that man! Sorry. I mean I know he was doing his thing as a black man at a really difficult time, but still come on man??? I could only imagine what Booker T and WEB were thinking at the time. Okay, so he only went with white women, he did the sistahs a favor, but he was just so, so, ummmm. He just rubbed me the wrong way. It was a great docu though. Any other thoughts??
And on Tom's show this morning they mentioned a docu about Emmitt Till being shown yesterday after the Jack Johnson film. I can't find any info on it. Did anyone see it?
chocolategurl17
01-19-2005, 04:27 AM
I caught pieces of the documentary in between watching AI and it was very interesting to say the least of what I did see. He was very fond with the white ladies I gathered and had no problem displaying it during that very dangerous time when already white men hated him because of his physical dominance and supremacy. I will catch it again and view it in full on one of the later dates to discuss it fully. I recommend as many who can as possible to watch it. You can talk about his life from many different angles.
PBS has really amped it up.
ETA: I caught a comment saying that he was Ethiopian. Was he really from Africa or was he born in the US?
nappylove
01-19-2005, 04:33 AM
Yeah I haven't seen it yet a friend of mines told me to watch it the next time it comes on.
sonce
01-19-2005, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by chocolategurl17@Jan 19 2005, 04:27 AM
I caught pieces of the documentary in between watching AI and it was very interesting to say the least of what I did see. He was very fond with the white ladies I gathered and had no problem displaying it during that very dangerous time when already white men hated him because of his physical dominance and supremacy. I will catch it again and view it in full on one of the later dates to discuss it fully. I recommend as many who can as possible to watch it. You can talk about his life from many different angles.
PBS has really amped it up.
ETA: I caught a comment saying that he was Ethiopian. Was he really from Africa or was he born in the US?
680072
ethiopian, hahaha no--that much is clear from his facial features alone. But anyway, didn't the documentary mention he was born to southern black americans?
Opportunitylocks
01-19-2005, 09:28 AM
If you all get a chance to watch this please do. This is the best thing I have seen on TV in a long time. His life was very facinating. And while I disagreed with his life style he was a true individual. As for the Ethiopian comment they were using it as a racial slur because he was born here. I suppose they were refering to his color.
notroz2u
01-19-2005, 04:15 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, I heard them call him an Ethiopian and was wondering what his family history was :afro:
I missed about a half hour of the first show and thought that was when they discussed his parentage
I was glued to my TV set both nights; this program was one of the most interesting pieces that I have seen in a long time
Jack really did love his white women and was not afraid to show it, I'm not sure of how I feel about him but I did enjoy seeing the old footage of the women and the men and looking at their clothes
One thought I had is that some of the footage of people that we were seeing could have been some of our relatives
I also had this same thought when viewing the "Slave Narratives"
Some of the stories & photos could have been of our family members :unsure:
ScoobyGurl
01-19-2005, 05:15 PM
I did catch the documentary. While I thought it was great that he made white people question their "superiority" by beat the hell out of them in the ring, I really didn't like him as a person. I got the feeling that he wasn't too proud of his race and that he was more concerned about what white people thought of him. I also wasn't feeling his attraction to white women and I thought about the example he was setting for so many modern black athletes <_< .
Nappalonia
01-19-2005, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Opportunitylocks@Jan 19 2005, 03:28 AM
If you all get a chance to watch this please do. This is the best thing I have seen on TV in a long time. His life was very facinating. And while I disagreed with his life style he was a true individual. As for the Ethiopian comment they were using it as a racial slur because he was born here. I suppose they were refering to his color.
680260
Yes please watch, this is one of the best documentary's I have seen :)
He did love him some thick white girls :rolleyes:
vinny_46
01-19-2005, 10:37 PM
I watched part 1 and 2, I enjoyed them very much. :pop:
I can't say whether I liked/disliked him. I really agreed with James Earl Jone's commentary.
I see nothing wrong with his love for white women, but I don't think it was a very wise move. And I don't respect anyone who beats a woman. :icon_headshake: Living in that society, I'm surprised he didn't get killed! Any of those white women could've cried rape and made it so.
I think he was just a man, one who wanted to live his life the way he saw fit, but because he was black, he wasn't supposed to be allowed to do that. He didn't follow their rules, and I like that about him. ^_^
I'm not a boxing fan, but I really enjoyed watching him beat Jeffries. :pop:
And I was of course disguisted by the hypocrisy/power/hate of the white population. :angry:
I wish I'd have been able to see the Great White Hope when James Earl Jones was performing it in theaters. I've seen bits of the film, and his commentary about how the play was received was very interesting.
afromation
01-19-2005, 10:43 PM
I didn't catch it the first night so I didn't watch it the second night. It comes on Sunday back to back (3-7 pm). I'll watch it then.
vinny_46
01-19-2005, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by afromation@Jan 19 2005, 02:43 PM
I didn't catch it the first night so I didn't watch it the second night. It comes on Sunday back to back (3-7 pm). I'll watch it then.
680923
I'll probably watch it again. I enjoy documentaries like this.
I think he was kind of handsome in some of those pics. :unsure:
ReRoyalty
01-20-2005, 02:29 AM
OHHHHHHH NOOO!!!
I saw the director of the Unforgivable Blackness on The Early Show Monday morning and forgot all about it on Monday and Tuesday...
U think they will show it again?
nappylove
01-20-2005, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by ReRoyalty@Jan 19 2005, 09:29 PM
OHHHHHHH NOOO!!!
I saw the director of the Unforgivable Blackness on The Early Show Monday morning and forgot all about it on Monday and Tuesday...
U think they will show it again?
681097
yeah check www.pbs.org
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