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09-16-2003, 06:13 AM
Okay ya'll I just happened to turn to Mtv Jams and noticed Outkast's new song and I'm trying to figure out what the heck is wrong with Dre. I like Outkast but that dude seem like he got issues :lol: His part of the video is kinda funny and what's up with the sleek straight do? I know he's been wildin' for a couple of years but this video had me cracking up :lol:

09-16-2003, 06:16 AM
If you thougth his was funny, look at Big Boi's clip for " I Love The Way You Move".... save for Farnsworth's cooning.... it's very funny and fly!

09-16-2003, 06:48 AM
I like both videos ... Johnny Vulture is too hot! :D Rock on and what not! :thumbsup:

09-16-2003, 01:29 PM
are you talking about the video that's like a 1960s teenybopper music show, where dre plays like 9 characters in the band?

that joint is SO FLY!!!!!!!

ok, so the perm is definitely over the top, but you know. so were the grass pants and white wig and football padding. i think he's just really committed to playing with his image and doing never-before-seen stuff with his presentation. and i totally respect that and i think he pulls it off really well.

'i love the way you move' is beautiful, too... i saw them back to back, they might have been premiering. ok, so it's full of nekkid women and fully clothed men (rolling my eyes) but the presentation is totally imaginative, contextualied, and beautiful. meaning, there weren't just girls shaking their butts in the camera in a song about how much money he makes or how he's going to kill some other rapper. they were walking bikini-clad across the african savannah, or the mechanic's garage, or whatever (LOL), or were fully clothed in evening wear & dancing in couples in a ballroom. plus, appreciating their bodies & motion is expressly what the song was about. and the visual presentation, how there were all these overlapping/repeating layers of all the images, was really imaginative and visually compelling.

i think outkast&#39;s videos have been getting more and more amazing w/each project. they really go there. i&#39;d rather see an over the top video that pushes boundaries than another cookie-cutter cornball piece of formulaic garbage where cars+jewelry+nekkidwommen=hiphop <_<

09-16-2003, 02:33 PM
I like both of their new projects, but I ESPECIALLY like Big Boi&#39;s "I like the way you move." The presentation is amazing and I love the horns. :)

Am I the only person wondering if "Farnsworth Bentley" is his real name?...

09-16-2003, 05:01 PM
BOTH joints are sooooo hottttt....Personally I like Dookie--he&#39;s kinda edgy....yeah Dre straightened his hair for the video but he is natural--just saw him in a vegan restaurant in Atl about one moon ago....Big Boi rocks....i agree with Honeychild--that video was tastefully done...he had the women there but everyone was beautifully portrayed...not just stanking looking....i appreciate Dre&#39;s imagination and growth....and he is looking very healthy in person....

cant wait for album

09-16-2003, 05:47 PM
the video is fly and so are they. i&#39;m a HUGE outkast fan B)

09-16-2003, 05:52 PM
Wow, I&#39;ll have to try and stomache BET so I can see the video, I like Oukast and was plannning to pick up their album even though I have not heard one song from the new release :D along with Erykah Badu, but it doesn&#39;t come out til the 23rd :doh:

09-16-2003, 06:04 PM
Oh! So they&#39;re videos aren&#39;t one whole video. They&#39;ve been playing out their videos all morning on Mtv 2 and Vh1 soul. I&#39;ve seen the videos four times now. Everytime I turn the channel the video is on and it&#39;s like I&#39;m drawn to it or something becuz each time I watch them.

I really like Big Boi&#39;s song/video witht he exception of the girls :rolleyes: If you guys notice in the ball scene there&#39;s a girl with a really nice ponypuff :D

09-17-2003, 03:46 AM
i&#39;m feeling BOTH videos. i&#39;m especially loving andre 3000 because he doesn&#39;t look like the typical rapper and he dares to be different.

09-17-2003, 04:07 AM
Did anyone see the article a few weeks ago in the NY Times about Outkast? It had an explanation of the umm, change, in their sound. I&#39;ll try to dig up the link.

09-18-2003, 08:14 AM
Okay, I found the article:

The New York Times, September 7, 2003

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company
The New York Times

IT has proven near impossible to ignore the rumors, the rampant music-media speculation. "Outkast -- Divided Souls," one magazine cover suggested. "Outkast Goes Their Separate Ways?" asked yet another. Tired of the talk about their imminent demise, at a recent news conference the two men who make up hip-hop&#39;s most ingenious group vigorously denied they were disbanding.

"Everybody&#39;s saying Outkast is breaking up, Outkast is going their separate ways," said Andre 3000, who had come here with his partner, Big Boi, to pitch their new clothing line to a room of motley fashionistas. "We just let them talk. It&#39;s good coffee conversation." Big Boi quickly chimed in: "We&#39;re still here. We&#39;re still together."

One could be forgiven for assuming otherwise. Making a grand entrance at last month&#39;s MTV Video Music Awards, the two men arrived in separate vehicles, Andre in a convertible Cadillac, Big Boi perched in the bed of a pick-up truck accompanied by a stripper gyrating on a pole. They have staged their recent interviews separately, sometimes separated by thousands of miles. At a European show in August each member performed his own set, never sharing the stage with the other.

And possibly the clearest indication that the two halves of Outkast could be moving in different directions is their new double album, "Speakerboxx/The Love Below," which will be released by Arista on Sept. 23. It splits the dynamic duo&#39;s music down the middle, with the "Speakerboxx" disc devoted entirely to Big Boi, the group&#39;s resident gangsta, and "The Love Below" CD devoted entirely to Andre, its healthy chunk of granola. The disjunction is particularly striking, given hip-hop&#39;s seemingly insatiable need for collaboration.

Creatively, the two discs could not be further apart. Drawing inspiration from the soulful R & B of the late 60&#39;s and 70&#39;s, Big Boi&#39;s is more in keeping with the witty, Southern-fried hip-hop for which Outkast has come to be known. "I was listening to a lot of Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Gil Scott-Heron and George Clinton," he explained. He has also immersed himself in old school rap.

Andre&#39;s half, originally meant to be the soundtrack to a feature-length movie Andre was working on, is aggressively unconventional. Its first single, "Hey Ya," a rollicking, hip-shimmying pop ditty, could easily have appeared on an early Beatles album. And, breaking with the past, Andre does little in the way of rapping. "I would say 95 percent of the album is singing and 5 percent of it is me rapping," he said.

Dining at an Asian fusion restaurant just off Las Vegas&#39;s glittering Strip, a steaming plate of seasoned tofu and a cup of green tea before him, Andre, who says he has been a strict vegetarian since the late 90&#39;s, pondered what listeners might make of his crooning. "I know a lot of the fans, the people that love me for rapping, may feel this is a letdown for them," he acknowledged, smiling nervously. It is a thought, he says, that has led to many sleepless nights of late. "Every album is a risk. It&#39;s not like we make the easiest music to swallow."

Big Boi (born Antwan Patton) and Andre 3000 (Andre Benjamin), a pair of 28-year-old Atlanta natives, put Southern rap on the map a decade ago with their seminal debut, "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik," an album that introduced listeners to a world where pimps and players coexist with political consciousness. With each successive album, Outkast veered further and further away from hip-hop&#39;s mainstream, their funk-drenched music borrowing heavily from the likes of George Clinton, Prince, Southern gospel and electronica, simultaneously courting the cosmos and the corner.

And with each of those albums, their audience and sales grew. "When we started doing the more experimental rap, started talking about aliens, that&#39;s when more and more white people started coming to the shows," Andre said. "We&#39;re from the hood, but that&#39;s not where our music stayed."
Largely regarded as a masterpiece, "Stankonia," the duo&#39;s 2001 Grammy-winning album, went multiplatinum and solidified Outkast&#39;s claim to be the "coolest motherfunkers on the planet."

So why, after achieving massive success and international critical acclaim, is Andre moving away from hip-hop? He says the music no longer stimulates him creatively. "God forbid Big Boi and I were were in car accidents and there was never another Outkast album, I would be O.K.," Andre said. "I feel like we&#39;ve already accomplished something." He says he rarely even listens to the music that brought him prominence.

"I don&#39;t feel the music the same way I did when I first got into hip-hop, loving it, loving writing lyrics and studying other people&#39;s lyrics," he said. "Back then all I would think about was beats and rhymes." John Coltrane holds his attention now. "I listen to him all day," Andre said, beaming. "That&#39;s what I play in my car."

It&#39;s not just Andre&#39;s music that&#39;s in transition. Much of his album explores the idea of love and relationships, but a difficult breakup -- with the R & B singer Erykah Badu, the mother of his 5-year-old son, Seven -- has left him unsure about monogamy and the institution of marriage. "Isn&#39;t marriage cutting you off from the rest of the world and the experiences you can have with other people?" he asked, picking over his tofu. "Aren&#39;t you putting boundaries on yourself?"

As a musician, he has always played outside the boundaries. He appears to be applying that ethos to his personal life as well, recently moving from Atlanta to Los Angeles to pursue an acting career. (He had a memorable role as a screenwriter in the otherwise forgettable summer action movie, "Hollywood Homicide.") Last month he began studying clarinet and saxophone and he is contemplating enrolling in music school "to get deeper into classical and jazz composition," he said.

He has decided not to tour in support of his album, in all likelihood throwing away millions in concert revenue. "The next time I perform on stage, I see myself playing in a band," he said. "I want it to be a total departure from Outkast."

Even his look (his queer eye for an emphatically straight guy has always been a topic of conversation among fans) has changed. Gone are the platinum wigs and silk turbans, the fur pants and feather boas. Instead, he wears Brooks Brothers seersucker pants, saddle shoes and a crisp navy blue jacket with gold buttons. His preppy-chic ensembles are a reaction, he says, to the baggy jeans, athletic jerseys and loud jewelry that are standard issue in urban culture. "I was looking at hip-hop and R & B and thinking, we&#39;ve lost class somewhere," Andre said. "There was a time when John Coltrane, Nat King Cole and Miles Davis dressed to play music. They were distinguished."

He realizes his shift in sensibility could alienate fans still holding out hope that the "normal" Andre, as he put it, will return. "I feel so bad when people come up to me and say, &#39;When are you going to make another "Southernplayalistic"?&#39; and I&#39;m like, &#39;Never,&#39; " he said with a sigh. "I can&#39;t talk about the same things I was talking about when I was 17. I&#39;m not out of high school carrying guns in Cadillacs. I&#39;ve got to find new things to be excited about."

As Andre explores opportunities outside hip-hop, Big Boi appears to be staying put. Sitting in his sprawling hotel suite here, hours after Andre had retired for the night, a glass of Hennessy, a mole hill of marijuana and a stack of Black and Mild cigars (his favorite) before him, Big Boi could not have been any happier.

"Now is the most exciting time," he said. "You work on something for so long and you&#39;re thinking: &#39;I really can&#39;t wait to hear what people think. I know they&#39;re going to dig it.&#39; "

"Every album, Dre is a bit fearful the audience won&#39;t get it," he continued. "I trust my ear."
He had just finished playing the videos to the first singles from the double CD. Again, as with much the two have done recently, the videos are individual efforts. In Andre&#39;s "Hey Ya," he fronts a pop band that is performing on a small stage in front of screaming teenyboppers, more reminiscent of "The Ed Sullivan Show" than "TRL." He plays all of the accompanying characters, from lead singer to back-up vocalists. As lead, he dances around spastically, seemingly allowing the music to have its way with him.

In Big Boi&#39;s "I Like the Way You Move," set in a fictive land where voluptuous women in barely there bikinis abound, he remains collected, never breaking a sweat, in spite of the song&#39;s infectious, bass-heavy beat.

But Big Boi does drop his cool facade for a moment when he talks about Andre&#39;s disc. "I didn&#39;t get a chance to hear Dre&#39;s full album until a few days ago, but I love it," he said. "It&#39;s phenomenal, stupid, so cold-blooded it blew me away." He then pronounced "Roses," the rare track on which Andre rhymes, to be "flawless."

"It&#39;s like Mary Lou Retton doing 25 black flips and landing on one leg," he said.

If he&#39;s bothered by Andre&#39;s life changes, Big Boi is not letting on. "He&#39;s ever changing and I&#39;ve changed too," Big Boi said. "We&#39;ve grown at different times, but its never like we&#39;re so far apart that we don&#39;t understand each other." He remained hopeful that Andre would eventually tour but insisted the show go on nonetheless.

"If he decides not to tour, it&#39;s all good," Big Boi said. "He knows I&#39;m going to go on the road. Ain&#39;t nothing better than the crowd&#39;s reaction to new music." He puffed on his cigar and contemplated life as a solo artist.

"We&#39;ve got six albums worth of material," he said finally. "That&#39;s plenty to work with."

09-18-2003, 02:57 PM
I have this on my list to buy. I think Dre has very expressive eyes. They are hypnotizing.

09-18-2003, 03:24 PM
:pumpheart: Outkast.

It was very pleasing to see something different. 9 out of 10 videos are filled with fancy cars, naked girls, and sex all over. I welcome their funky taste and style.

09-18-2003, 03:31 PM
oh MAN, marissa... thanks so much for that article. i knew dre was *there* just from watching his work evolve... but it&#39;s so inspiring to hear it from his own mouth.