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CatSuga
12-26-2005, 02:47 AM
I luvs me some Amerie! :wub:

But anyway.............are you offended when you hear people comment on how Black & [insert variable] make pretty babies?


I'm at work watching some Amerie :wub: videos and drama erupted because the men in the lab (Black and White) all commented on how exotic she looks & how "mixing" makes pretty babies.

I remember drama erupting at college when my guy friends commented on how beautiful exotic mixed looking are. And for some reason all single raced White, Black, and Asian girls in the TV room took offense.

I've never took offense from hearing these comments. :dunno:
As you can see from the image posted...some are very cute (like Amerie :wub: ) and some ain't.....uh...as cute as Amerie and are average.
Row 1: Black & Asian celebs
Misa Hylton-Brim, Kimora, Kelis, Amerie, Foxy Brown
Row 2: random googled Black & Asians
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9607/blasian3un.jpg

sarobins
12-26-2005, 03:38 AM
I think it is offensive from the standpoint that just because you are "mixed" it doesn't mean that you are attractive. If you are unattractive then you will be unattractive whether you have an "exotic" blend of features because of your ethnic background. Also, if I am not mistaken, I believe that I read an article where Amerie stated that she didn't like the term "exotic" associated with her and disliked when men made comments like that to her thinking that they were complimenting her.

Lexxe
12-26-2005, 03:52 AM
well I can tell you that mixies hate being objectified in this way.

natural-forever
12-26-2005, 04:40 AM
Except for Kimora all those girls look Black and I would not have known they were mixed with Asian. Amerie looks Black. They glam up her pictures to make her look more "exotic". If you look at her candids she looks pretty much average. I think once people find out someone is mixed they look over their features with a microscope looking for "exoticness". I mean come on; AAliyah could be one of those girls posted and she wasn’t mixed.

MsCurly85
12-26-2005, 05:16 AM
really? more then half of these women looked mixed with black and asian in my opinion. I don't care what anyone says kimora doesn't look like she has a drop of black in her .. she looks all asian to me

second of all.. an attractive person is an attractive person, and the same with an unattractive person. someones mixed race surely doesn't guarentee they will be attractive-believe me!

JustTia
12-26-2005, 09:53 AM
I get annoyed with the whole "mixed kids are sooo beautiful" ideology because it focuses on external beauty, which we have FAR too much focus on in our society. As a mother of bicultural/biracial children, I honestly do NOT like when folks say things relating to my children's beauty *because* they are "mixed". :angry: I want my girls to feel they are beautiful because they are made by God, not because of some notion of exoticism placed by our superficial society on looks. I want them to focus on what's in their heads rather than looks -- something they had nothing to do with.

Besides, when we buy into believing biracial/cultural folks (who have a Black parent) are more beautiful because they are "mixed", we are buying into the myth that Black folks aren't beautiful as-is. Like we've gotta be mixed with something before society can call us beautiful. Shoot, if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.

BBeauty
12-26-2005, 01:33 PM
I don't care what anyone says kimora doesn't look like she has a drop of black in her .. she looks all asian to me[/b]

I agree...Im STILL unsure about that one...




second of all.. an attractive person is an attractive person, and the same with an unattractive person. someones mixed race surely doesn't guarentee they will be attractive-believe me![/b]

I agree with this too.

nina
12-26-2005, 02:10 PM
I never minded being referred to as “exotic looking” but I do/did despise descriptions like “½” this, “half-breed” that, “mulatto”, references to “good hurr” etc. I have green-bluish eyes and med. brown skin and try to understand that, many times, people mean no harm so I *generally* don’t take offense.

I look how I look and I love and dig how I look cuz I adore my parents and look like parts of both of them. I’m beyond anyone trying to imply that I am (or think myself) better and also beyond any attempts to paint me as ‘less’ or make me feel guilty or apologetic about it.

There are tons of stupid people everywhere so it is a waste of time and energy to react to every bit of never-ending stupidity that comes out of people’s mouths, but I do think those who say X and Y “makes pretty babies” are just plain ign’ant. That implies monoracial couples do not make “pretty babies” which is a straight up color struck lie. I’ve seen some fugly funny-looking “mixed” babies and plenty of gorgeous monoracial babies.


Originally posted by JustTia
...if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.

Exactly!

tempest
12-26-2005, 02:16 PM
I get annoyed with the whole "mixed kids are sooo beautiful" ideology because it focuses on external beauty, which we have FAR too much focus on in our society. As a mother of bicultural/biracial children, I honestly do NOT like when folks say things relating to my children's beauty *because* they are "mixed". :angry: I want my girls to feel they are beautiful because they are made by God, not because of some notion of exoticism placed by our superficial society on looks. I want them to focus on what's in their heads rather than looks -- something they had nothing to do with.

Besides, when we buy into believing biracial/cultural folks (who have a Black parent) are more beautiful because they are "mixed", we are buying into the myth that Black folks aren't beautiful as-is. Like we've gotta be mixed with something before society can call us beautiful. Shoot, if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.
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The part in bold is especially true. Don't yall get a kick out of when you see reviews on black models and stuff they want to claim every single ethnicity in the world except anything to do with their "blackness"?

I am the mother of a biracial little boy and it gets really really old. My daughter is not mixed and I hate it when people just act like she isn't even there and dote all over my son and yes I do call them out on it (loud enough so no one else will try that bs neither). It's rude, narrow-minded and insensitive. The sad thing is they don't even realize it's a problem :rolleyes:.

carmenjones
12-26-2005, 03:00 PM
I kind of agree with the poster who said that people are drawn to anything that looks different from the norm because some materialistic people will always chase after anything that looks different than them, no matter what kind of person they are. But I disagree with her saying that people who say that don't necessarily imply that "single raced" people are not beautiful as well, only because I've heard that implied one too many times.

I've heard brothas say "Man, AND she's black and asian. You know that's the best mix". I'll play devil's advocate and say "Well, what about Gabrielle Union?" and they'll be like "She's pretty, but she aint got that MIX. It's just something about that mix.." Sure Gabrielle Union is pretty...but oh, if she had that ASIAN MIX...she'd be SO MUCH finer.

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minamo2
12-26-2005, 03:14 PM
Exotic is not about race, its just a look. Alot of Ethiopians have an exotic look, just like multi-racials do. And alot of people are called exotic, when they are just plain pretty. There&#39;s a difference to me. Amerie: pretty. Iman: exotic. Or some think Angelina Jolie is exotic (for a white chic). Its just something striking in thier features vs pretty which are more proportionite features.
Plus being a military brat I&#39;ve seen alot of biracial children (hey I have one) and many are not exotic. I used to say asian/black was the least attractive in mixes, actually (I know better not to generalize now though).

blackentropy
12-26-2005, 03:30 PM
Alot of Black and asian people share some of the same physical features (i.e. wide nose, slanted eyes, high cheekbones). Alot of my asian friends have been mistaken for black, and I have been mistaken for Asian, even though I am more than likely mostly black genetically. I&#39;ve seen black and half asian people with napptural hair, so sometimes I can&#39;t really be 100% sure just by looking at the hair texture.

As far as the assumption that black and asian people make pretty babies, I will have to disagree with that. I absolutely hate it when adults make comments about "mixed babies being pretty" infront of non-mixed children, and don&#39;t pay the un-mixed children any compliments. That&#39;s so rude, ignorant, and disrespectful. When I compliment young black children on their beauty, alot of them seem so surprised and so happy at the same time.

natural-forever
12-26-2005, 07:12 PM
Alot of Black and asian people share some of the same physical features (i.e. wide nose, slanted eyes, high cheekbones). Alot of my asian friends have been mistaken for black, and I have been mistaken for Asian, even though I am more than likely mostly black genetically. I&#39;ve seen black and half asian people with napptural hair, so sometimes I can&#39;t really be 100% sure just by looking at the hair texture.

As far as the assumption that black and asian people make pretty babies, I will have to disagree with that. I absolutely hate it when adults make comments about "mixed babies being pretty" infront of non-mixed children, and don&#39;t pay the un-mixed children any compliments. That&#39;s so rude, ignorant, and disrespectful. When I compliment young black children on their beauty, alot of them seem so surprised and so happy at the same time.
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I completely agree with the bolded part and your post. I didn&#39;t even know Amerie was half-Korean because she looks Black. Didn&#39;t know Foxy Brown had any Asian in her either because I&#39;ve seen that look in the Black population before. Brandy could easily be one of those women posted also. Black/Asian mixed people tend to just look like Black folk to me. I think it is because we share a lot of our features with Asians.

No one needs another races blood to be attractive or intelligent. If Gabriele Union was half-Asian and Amerie was just Black they would be all over Gabriele Union just because she had that "mix" in her instead of African American. In Race we lust indeed.

vinny_46
12-26-2005, 07:17 PM
I don&#39;t find it offensive. :dunno:

I think that mixes do make pretty babies.

The problem is when people make the assumption that mixes make prettier babies. Sometimes it&#39;s the person who said it that makes that assumption, and sometimes it&#39;s the listener.

LuvmiOrLeavemi
12-26-2005, 07:20 PM
no because its obvious that the BLACK is what is making them look better, every race looks better w/ a lil black in them!!

Exotic Natural
12-26-2005, 07:43 PM
:bolt:

LuvJones
12-26-2005, 07:45 PM
:unsure: I lived in Japan for 4yrs and that statement is 100% false :unsure:

Any two people on the planet no matter what the racial make up can make pretty/ugly babies.

Asian+Black doesn&#39;t = cute/pretty/attractive

There were some VERY unatractive biracial people in Japan :huh:

LJ

Exotic Natural
12-26-2005, 07:51 PM
:unsure: I lived in Japan for 4yrs and that statement is 100% false :unsure:

Any two people on the planet no matter what the racial make up can make pretty/ugly babies.

Asian+Black doesn&#39;t = cute/pretty/attractive

There were some VERY unatractive biracial people in Japan :huh:

LJ
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:smil3f72836ee752e:

I THINK A LOT OF THESE MUSIC VIDEOS ON BET AND MTV HAVE PEOPLE BRAINWASHED

bohemienne
12-26-2005, 09:29 PM
I don&#39;t find it offensive. :dunno:

I think that mixes do make pretty babies.

The problem is when people make the assumption that mixes make prettier babies. Sometimes it&#39;s the person who said it that makes that assumption, and sometimes it&#39;s the listener.
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ITA!

And no one is excluded from that possibility. It&#39;s the favoritism that&#39;s the problem here.

mstnt
12-26-2005, 09:34 PM
I wish people that has this mindset could&#39;nt reproduce,We have a extra long way to go.

cristalena
12-26-2005, 09:54 PM
I don&#39;t find it offensive. :dunno:

I think that mixes do make pretty babies.

The problem is when people make the assumption that mixes make prettier babies. Sometimes it&#39;s the person who said it that makes that assumption, and sometimes it&#39;s the listener.
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I agree with Vin.

I also think a lot of the issue lies in people having the idea that Black + Anything Else improves on Black. THAT&#39;S where there&#39;s a problem. Otherwise, I&#39;m inclined to think that people of immediate mixed background (no matter what the mix) are more interesting looking than the individual races they descended from.

Oh, and as far as Aaliyah goes, I think she and her brother Rashad favored their biracial mother Diane far more than their father. This is why many people believed Aaliyah was biracial (although she was a quarter Caucasian).

Diane:

http://aaliyah.like-woah.net/inne/rodzina/liyah-family03.jpg

jemilla
12-26-2005, 10:38 PM
I wish people that has this mindset could&#39;nt reproduce,We have a extra long way to go.
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....or maybe log on to nappturality every once in a while. :)

when i was pregnant w/ my son people used to tell me that i was gonna have a pretty baby. my husband is white, i&#39;m black. i live in kentucky so u gotta expect it, but it was very nerve recking. i had to talk to someone about that and she said that it&#39;s not prejudice but that the races features compliment each other and make a nice blend. i understand where people r coming from, but it was offensive as if to say that my features have to be watered down to have a pretty kid. people didn&#39;t even know that they had this backward mindset.

and yes, i have seen some unattractive lookin mixed kids.

didn&#39;t nelly put that in his song about "half black and asian".

JustAverage
12-26-2005, 11:29 PM
Well everyone pretty much said what I had to say. I know a couple of half black and half japanese boys and I didn&#39;t know they were mixed until I saw their dad. I also didn&#39;t know that a boy in my class in middle school was mixed until I saw his dad too. So i do believe Kimora has black in her. All of those girls look bi-racial to me in the first and second rows. I thought Foxy Brown was part Trinidadian though. I have seen some good looking biracial kids such as Amerie, Christina Milian, Chilli and some bad looking ones like Tracee Ellis Ross, Justin Guarini and Tiger Woods. So race-mixing doesn&#39;t always get you "pretty kids."

nina
12-26-2005, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by JustAverage
I have seen some good looking biracial kids such as...Christina Milian...
When did Christina Milian become "biracial"? Both her parents are ethnic Cuban Americans.

vinny_46
12-27-2005, 12:00 AM
So i do believe Kimora has black in her.
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You should&#39;ve seen her before her nose job!

Alas1119
12-27-2005, 12:09 AM
It&#39;s funny because this topic happened to come up in my office last week.

I had a discussion with a co-worker who insisted that Kimora Lee Simmons was 100% black because she has a black father. I argued that she was 1/2 of Japanese decent and 1/2 black American decent because of her parentage. But my co-worker wasn&#39;t hearing me.

At any rate, a white Jewish male co-worker of mine was passing by so I asked him, "Jeff, if someone has a Japanese mother and a Black American father, what are they?" He replies, "probably someone who&#39;s very pretty?" I rolled my eyes at that response.

jeannaboo
12-27-2005, 12:20 AM
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I get annoyed with the whole "mixed kids are sooo beautiful" ideology because it focuses on external beauty, which we have FAR too much focus on in our society. As a mother of bicultural/biracial children, I honestly do NOT like when folks say things relating to my children&#39;s beauty *because* they are "mixed". :angry: I want my girls to feel they are beautiful because they are made by God, not because of some notion of exoticism placed by our superficial society on looks. I want them to focus on what&#39;s in their heads rather than looks -- something they had nothing to do with.

Besides, when we buy into believing biracial/cultural folks (who have a Black parent) are more beautiful because they are "mixed", we are buying into the myth that Black folks aren&#39;t beautiful as-is. Like we&#39;ve gotta be mixed with something before society can call us beautiful. Shoot, if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.
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ITA. I hate when I come home from college and here about my former classmates babies and how people comments like:

Oh yeah, you know she got a mixed baby right?
Oh shoot, I know that&#39;s a pretty baby, she got that good hair.

:rolleyes:

How frustrating is it to try to have a conversation about this topic with people who still have this mindset.


The part in bold is especially true. Don&#39;t yall get a kick out of when you see reviews on black models and stuff they want to claim every single ethnicity in the world except anything to do with their "blackness"?

I am the mother of a biracial little boy and it gets really really old. My daughter is not mixed and I hate it when people just act like she isn&#39;t even there and dote all over my son and yes I do call them out on it (loud enough so no one else will try that bs neither). It&#39;s rude, narrow-minded and insensitive. The sad thing is they don&#39;t even realize it&#39;s a problem :rolleyes:.
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I&#39;m glad you called them out. It is very rude. I had to deal with that same thing. My best friend is "mixed". Her father is white and black and mother is black. And I would feel so ugly around her when we&#39;d go out I&#39;d be treated just as you said your daughter is. I am over it now because I know of the ignorance and the ingrained psychological brainwashing of Willie Lynch which is so deeply rooted in our society, however I can still sympathize.



I kind of agree with the poster who said that people are drawn to anything that looks different from the norm because some materialistic people will always chase after anything that looks different than them, no matter what kind of person they are. But I disagree with her saying that people who say that don&#39;t necessarily imply that "single raced" people are not beautiful as well, only because I&#39;ve heard that implied one too many times.

I&#39;ve heard brothas say "Man, AND she&#39;s black and asian. You know that&#39;s the best mix". I&#39;ll play devil&#39;s advocate and say "Well, what about Gabrielle Union?" and they&#39;ll be like "She&#39;s pretty, but she aint got that MIX. It&#39;s just something about that mix.." Sure Gabrielle Union is pretty...but oh, if she had that ASIAN MIX...she&#39;d be SO MUCH finer.

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:angry: You know, even Miss Union seems like she can have "that mix". Anyways, you should question them even harder. Find someone else with that "black asian mix" and say what about them. The culture or ethnic background is not what makes a person attractive. I hate when guys say dumb stuff like that; and I get mad when listening to the music which places that further in folks heads......like Black is not good enough. That we have to have something else for us to be beautiful. Oh she just Black.....



Alot of Black and asian people share some of the same physical features (i.e. wide nose, slanted eyes, high cheekbones). Alot of my asian friends have been mistaken for black, and I have been mistaken for Asian, even though I am more than likely mostly black genetically. I&#39;ve seen black and half asian people with napptural hair, so sometimes I can&#39;t really be 100% sure just by looking at the hair texture.

As far as the assumption that black and asian people make pretty babies, I will have to disagree with that. I absolutely hate it when adults make comments about "mixed babies being pretty" infront of non-mixed children, and don&#39;t pay the un-mixed children any compliments. That&#39;s so rude, ignorant, and disrespectful. When I compliment young black children on their beauty, alot of them seem so surprised and so happy at the same time.
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Keep on complimentin&#39;. We need more positive enforcements. If all you hear is you have bad hair, your skin&#39;s ugly, you&#39;re not black and asian, etc. etc. than you&#39;ll start to think that you&#39;re not beautiful and that you have to change your hair, get contacts, etc. etc. for you to be beautiful. This reminds me; my friends sister got green contacts. She can see, she just wanted green eyes. And when she got her contacts she says to me, "Girl I am going to be so fine when I put these in, all the guys gonna be tryna get wit me." :angry:



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I don&#39;t find it offensive. :dunno:

I think that mixes do make pretty babies.

The problem is when people make the assumption that mixes make prettier babies. Sometimes it&#39;s the person who said it that makes that assumption, and sometimes it&#39;s the listener.
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I agree with Vin.

I also think a lot of the issue lies in people having the idea that Black + Anything Else improves on Black. THAT&#39;S where there&#39;s a problem. Otherwise, I&#39;m inclined to think that people of immediate mixed background (no matter what the mix) are more interesting looking than the individual races they descended from.

Oh, and as far as Aaliyah goes, I think she and her brother Rashad favored their biracial mother Diane far more than their father. This is why many people believed Aaliyah was biracial (although she was a quarter Caucasian).

Diane:

http://aaliyah.like-woah.net/inne/rodzina/liyah-family03.jpg
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But aren&#39;t most Black people in America, "mixed". Most Blacks in America are descendants of African slaves and throughout the generations much "mixing" of the different racial heritages occured. My grandparents are of mixed racial heritage, but I&#39;m Black. My friend her father is "biracial" but she&#39;s Black. Or when people say biracial they mean the parents and no one else was of different racial heritages. Also, to say mixed race or different races, etc. is technically wrong, people genetically it has already been proven that there is only one race among humans and that is the human race. However, that terminology has been used so much that it is very hard to refrain from using or finding a different way to describe what you&#39;re talking about; even journalists, scientists, etc. still use that terminology. That was just a side note?



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I wish people that has this mindset could&#39;nt reproduce,We have a extra long way to go.
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....or maybe log on to nappturality every once in a while. :)

when i was pregnant w/ my son people used to tell me that i was gonna have a pretty baby. my husband is white, i&#39;m black. i live in kentucky so u gotta expect it, but it was very nerve recking. i had to talk to someone about that and she said that it&#39;s not prejudice but that the races features compliment each other and make a nice blend. i understand where people r coming from, but it was offensive as if to say that my features have to be watered down to have a pretty kid. people didn&#39;t even know that they had this backward mindset.

and yes, i have seen some unattractive lookin mixed kids.

didn&#39;t nelly put that in his song about "half black and asian".
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You should ask them what do they mean by that so they&#39;d have to explain themselves and hear themselves talk and realize how silly they sound.



Well everyone pretty much said what I had to say. I know a couple of half black and half japanese boys and I didn&#39;t know they were mixed until I saw their dad. I also didn&#39;t know that a boy in my class in middle school was mixed until I saw his dad too. So i do believe Kimora has black in her. All of those girls look bi-racial to me in the first and second rows. I thought Foxy Brown was part Trinidadian though. I have seen some good looking biracial kids such as Amerie, Christina Milian, Chilli and some bad looking ones like Tracee Ellis Ross, Justin Guarini and Tiger Woods. So race-mixing doesn&#39;t always get you "pretty kids."
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I didn&#39;t think Ross and Woods were bad looking; I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I agree with mostly all the comments. I too am upset with the notion that people have that anything other than Black other than Black somehow improves on the Blackness; that Black alone is not beautiful enough. I just think we all must work on starting the dialogue with people when they make backwards comments in order to change at least in the smallest of ways, how we think of each other. I noticed that a lot of you mentioned how this stuff is being said in front of children and that really upsets me. This is why children grow up hating themselves because of this passed down language, the media, etc. I just hope that we are all trying our best to ensure that our children recognize that they are beautiful just because they were created. I hate going around hearing and seeing how much children hate themselves.

One last thing, I can&#39;t find the quote but someone on here said something about not knowing Foxy Brown was mixed with Asian and that they thought she was mixed with Trinidadian (sp?) I thought that Trinidad was an island and that to say she was mixed with Black and Trinidadian would just be like saying she was mixed with Black and American. Someone enlighten me.

Well: I talked way too much and was very random. I apologize for that.

JustAverage
12-27-2005, 12:27 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/esha17/picture%20album%205/0cm5.jpg

That is Christina Milian&#39;s mom. There are plenty of people that are Cuban and Black. My nationality is American and my ethnicity is black.

@Jennaboo-http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/foxy_brown/index.shtml This is where Foxy Brown said that she is Trinidadian and asian.

Sorry about the pic being big.

Puffalishous
12-27-2005, 01:50 AM
Going back to the original post about the comment on Amerie looking exotic because she is mixed with asian and black. It&#39;s interesting that she is considered exotic looking because of her mixed heritage since I read that she had plastic surgery on her eyes to make them less asian looking and she also had a nose job to make it less ethnic looking.

nina
12-27-2005, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by JustAverage
That is Christina Milian&#39;s mom. There are plenty of people that are Cuban
and Black. My nationality is American and my ethnicity is black.
I am island-born, well aware of the &#39;racial&#39; makeup of Cubans, PRs etc., and quite clear on the
difference between race, ethnicity and nationality.

Black is not an ethnicity, it is a racial classification. i.e. One can be racially black and
ethnically Dominican, Somali, Haitian etc.; one can be racially black, of Nigerian nationality and
ethnically Igbo; one can be racially Asian and ethnically Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc., or
racially Native American and ethnically Cherokee, Blackfoot, Apache, Lakota etc.

I&#39;ve seen her parents before and again I ask when Christina Milian became "biracial"?

macsrcool
12-27-2005, 02:14 AM
Wow Cristina Milian looks just like her mother.

Nina, according to your examples, the words nationality and ethnicity can be used interechangeably. Is that what you mean to convey?

jeannaboo
12-27-2005, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by JustAverage
That is Christina Milian&#39;s mom. There are plenty of people that are Cuban
and Black. My nationality is American and my ethnicity is black.
I am island-born, well aware of the &#39;racial&#39; makeup of Cubans, PRs etc., and quite clear on the
difference between race, ethnicity and nationality.

Black is not an ethnicity, it is a racial classification. i.e. One can be racially black and
ethnically Dominican, Somali, Haitian etc.; one can be racially black, of Nigerian nationality and
ethnically Igbo; one can be racially Asian and ethnically Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc., or
racially Native American and ethnically Cherokee, Blackfoot, Apache, Lakota etc.

I&#39;ve seen her parents before and again I ask when Christina Milian became "biracial"?
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Her mom looks like her sister.

Can&#39;t ones nationality and ethnic group be the same. Depending on who and what is being referred to? For instance, one who is born in Trinidad is Trinidadian and if one is a descendant of one born in Trinidad, one is a Trinidadian. Trinidad is both the person&#39;s nation and as a descendant their ethnicity?

Brown&#39;s nationality is Trinidadian and her ethnicity Asian and Black, as a descendant of Black Trinidadians...this is off topic..i&#39;m sorry..continue.

JustAverage
12-27-2005, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by JustAverage
That is Christina Milian&#39;s mom. There are plenty of people that are Cuban
and Black. My nationality is American and my ethnicity is black.
I am island-born, well aware of the &#39;racial&#39; makeup of Cubans, PRs etc., and quite clear on the
difference between race, ethnicity and nationality.

Black is not an ethnicity, it is a racial classification. i.e. One can be racially black and
ethnically Dominican, Somali, Haitian etc.; one can be racially black, of Nigerian nationality and
ethnically Igbo; one can be racially Asian and ethnically Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc., or
racially Native American and ethnically Cherokee, Blackfoot, Apache, Lakota etc.

I&#39;ve seen her parents before and again I ask when Christina Milian became "biracial"?
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I should have said my race is black.

Christina Milian&#39;s mother looks black to me.

nina
12-27-2005, 02:57 AM
Nina, according to your examples, the words nationality and ethnicity can be used
interechangeably. Is that what you mean to convey?[/b]
Hi Macsrcool and Jeannaboo...sometimes, yes i.e.:

-Racially black, of Cuban nationality, and ethnically Latino/Hispanic or Cuban
-Racially black, of Brazilian nationality, and ethnically Latino/Hispanic or Brazilian
-Racially Mestizo, of Peruvian nationality, and ethnically Latino/Hispanic or Peruvian

…and sometimes, no i.e.:

-Racially Asian, of Burmese nationality, and ethnically Chinese
-Racially Native American, of American nationality, and ethnically Cherokee
-Racially black, of Nigerian nationality, and ethnically Fulani, Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba etc.
-Racially black, of Egyptian nationality, and ethnically Nubian

I was mainly trying to convey that black, white, Asian etc. are not ethnicities, they are what’s
commonly called races.


Originally posted by JustAverage
Christina Milian&#39;s mother looks black to me.
Both Milian’s mother and father look obviously Afro-Latino to me also and that is why I asked
when she became “biracial”, especially considering the fact that close to 70% of Cuba’s population
is of African descent.

vinny_46
12-27-2005, 02:58 AM
This reminds me; my friends sister got green contacts. She can see, she just wanted green eyes.
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:lol: :lol:

pacunurse30
12-27-2005, 12:43 PM
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I get annoyed with the whole "mixed kids are sooo beautiful" ideology because it focuses on external beauty, which we have FAR too much focus on in our society. As a mother of bicultural/biracial children, I honestly do NOT like when folks say things relating to my children&#39;s beauty *because* they are "mixed". :angry: I want my girls to feel they are beautiful because they are made by God, not because of some notion of exoticism placed by our superficial society on looks. I want them to focus on what&#39;s in their heads rather than looks -- something they had nothing to do with.

Besides, when we buy into believing biracial/cultural folks (who have a Black parent) are more beautiful because they are "mixed", we are buying into the myth that Black folks aren&#39;t beautiful as-is. Like we&#39;ve gotta be mixed with something before society can call us beautiful. Shoot, if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.
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ITA. I hate when I come home from college and here about my former classmates babies and how people comments like:

Oh yeah, you know she got a mixed baby right?
Oh shoot, I know that&#39;s a pretty baby, she got that good hair.

:rolleyes:

How frustrating is it to try to have a conversation about this topic with people who still have this mindset.


The part in bold is especially true. Don&#39;t yall get a kick out of when you see reviews on black models and stuff they want to claim every single ethnicity in the world except anything to do with their "blackness"?

I am the mother of a biracial little boy and it gets really really old. My daughter is not mixed and I hate it when people just act like she isn&#39;t even there and dote all over my son and yes I do call them out on it (loud enough so no one else will try that bs neither). It&#39;s rude, narrow-minded and insensitive. The sad thing is they don&#39;t even realize it&#39;s a problem :rolleyes:.
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I&#39;m glad you called them out. It is very rude. I had to deal with that same thing. My best friend is "mixed". Her father is white and black and mother is black. And I would feel so ugly around her when we&#39;d go out I&#39;d be treated just as you said your daughter is. I am over it now because I know of the ignorance and the ingrained psychological brainwashing of Willie Lynch which is so deeply rooted in our society, however I can still sympathize.



I kind of agree with the poster who said that people are drawn to anything that looks different from the norm because some materialistic people will always chase after anything that looks different than them, no matter what kind of person they are. But I disagree with her saying that people who say that don&#39;t necessarily imply that "single raced" people are not beautiful as well, only because I&#39;ve heard that implied one too many times.

I&#39;ve heard brothas say "Man, AND she&#39;s black and asian. You know that&#39;s the best mix". I&#39;ll play devil&#39;s advocate and say "Well, what about Gabrielle Union?" and they&#39;ll be like "She&#39;s pretty, but she aint got that MIX. It&#39;s just something about that mix.." Sure Gabrielle Union is pretty...but oh, if she had that ASIAN MIX...she&#39;d be SO MUCH finer.

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:angry: You know, even Miss Union seems like she can have "that mix". Anyways, you should question them even harder. Find someone else with that "black asian mix" and say what about them. The culture or ethnic background is not what makes a person attractive. I hate when guys say dumb stuff like that; and I get mad when listening to the music which places that further in folks heads......like Black is not good enough. That we have to have something else for us to be beautiful. Oh she just Black.....



Alot of Black and asian people share some of the same physical features (i.e. wide nose, slanted eyes, high cheekbones). Alot of my asian friends have been mistaken for black, and I have been mistaken for Asian, even though I am more than likely mostly black genetically. I&#39;ve seen black and half asian people with napptural hair, so sometimes I can&#39;t really be 100% sure just by looking at the hair texture.

As far as the assumption that black and asian people make pretty babies, I will have to disagree with that. I absolutely hate it when adults make comments about "mixed babies being pretty" infront of non-mixed children, and don&#39;t pay the un-mixed children any compliments. That&#39;s so rude, ignorant, and disrespectful. When I compliment young black children on their beauty, alot of them seem so surprised and so happy at the same time.
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Keep on complimentin&#39;. We need more positive enforcements. If all you hear is you have bad hair, your skin&#39;s ugly, you&#39;re not black and asian, etc. etc. than you&#39;ll start to think that you&#39;re not beautiful and that you have to change your hair, get contacts, etc. etc. for you to be beautiful. This reminds me; my friends sister got green contacts. She can see, she just wanted green eyes. And when she got her contacts she says to me, "Girl I am going to be so fine when I put these in, all the guys gonna be tryna get wit me." :angry:



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I don&#39;t find it offensive. :dunno:

I think that mixes do make pretty babies.

The problem is when people make the assumption that mixes make prettier babies. Sometimes it&#39;s the person who said it that makes that assumption, and sometimes it&#39;s the listener.
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I agree with Vin.

I also think a lot of the issue lies in people having the idea that Black + Anything Else improves on Black. THAT&#39;S where there&#39;s a problem. Otherwise, I&#39;m inclined to think that people of immediate mixed background (no matter what the mix) are more interesting looking than the individual races they descended from.

Oh, and as far as Aaliyah goes, I think she and her brother Rashad favored their biracial mother Diane far more than their father. This is why many people believed Aaliyah was biracial (although she was a quarter Caucasian).

Diane:

http://aaliyah.like-woah.net/inne/rodzina/liyah-family03.jpg
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But aren&#39;t most Black people in America, "mixed". Most Blacks in America are descendants of African slaves and throughout the generations much "mixing" of the different racial heritages occured. My grandparents are of mixed racial heritage, but I&#39;m Black. My friend her father is "biracial" but she&#39;s Black. Or when people say biracial they mean the parents and no one else was of different racial heritages. Also, to say mixed race or different races, etc. is technically wrong, people genetically it has already been proven that there is only one race among humans and that is the human race. However, that terminology has been used so much that it is very hard to refrain from using or finding a different way to describe what you&#39;re talking about; even journalists, scientists, etc. still use that terminology. That was just a side note?



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I wish people that has this mindset could&#39;nt reproduce,We have a extra long way to go.
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....or maybe log on to nappturality every once in a while. :)

when i was pregnant w/ my son people used to tell me that i was gonna have a pretty baby. my husband is white, i&#39;m black. i live in kentucky so u gotta expect it, but it was very nerve recking. i had to talk to someone about that and she said that it&#39;s not prejudice but that the races features compliment each other and make a nice blend. i understand where people r coming from, but it was offensive as if to say that my features have to be watered down to have a pretty kid. people didn&#39;t even know that they had this backward mindset.

and yes, i have seen some unattractive lookin mixed kids.

didn&#39;t nelly put that in his song about "half black and asian".
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You should ask them what do they mean by that so they&#39;d have to explain themselves and hear themselves talk and realize how silly they sound.



Well everyone pretty much said what I had to say. I know a couple of half black and half japanese boys and I didn&#39;t know they were mixed until I saw their dad. I also didn&#39;t know that a boy in my class in middle school was mixed until I saw his dad too. So i do believe Kimora has black in her. All of those girls look bi-racial to me in the first and second rows. I thought Foxy Brown was part Trinidadian though. I have seen some good looking biracial kids such as Amerie, Christina Milian, Chilli and some bad looking ones like Tracee Ellis Ross, Justin Guarini and Tiger Woods. So race-mixing doesn&#39;t always get you "pretty kids."
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I didn&#39;t think Ross and Woods were bad looking; I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I agree with mostly all the comments. I too am upset with the notion that people have that anything other than Black other than Black somehow improves on the Blackness; that Black alone is not beautiful enough. I just think we all must work on starting the dialogue with people when they make backwards comments in order to change at least in the smallest of ways, how we think of each other. I noticed that a lot of you mentioned how this stuff is being said in front of children and that really upsets me. This is why children grow up hating themselves because of this passed down language, the media, etc. I just hope that we are all trying our best to ensure that our children recognize that they are beautiful just because they were created. I hate going around hearing and seeing how much children hate themselves.

One last thing, I can&#39;t find the quote but someone on here said something about not knowing Foxy Brown was mixed with Asian and that they thought she was mixed with Trinidadian (sp?) I thought that Trinidad was an island and that to say she was mixed with Black and Trinidadian would just be like saying she was mixed with Black and American. Someone enlighten me.

Well: I talked way too much and was very random. I apologize for that.
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I think I read somewhere that Foxy Brown has Filipino heritage. I think it&#39;s a grandparent though. She mentions this in one of her old rap songs. Jay Z also has a Filipino grandparent from what I understand. I found this out from some Filipino co-workers who said these people were featured in one of their publications in an article about famous people with some Filipino descent.

MotherLand
12-27-2005, 01:30 PM
I think if someone says "mixed babies are pretty" and you take that to mean "non-mixed babies are ugly" that is about YOU, not the person who made the original statement.
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Thankyou. I was wondering how someone could get that from "mixed babies are pretty". Sometimes I think you guys dig too deep into things.



Note: I&#39;m on winter vacation, thats why I&#39;m able to post at this time of day

ETA: But I DO agree with the whole ignoring the other child to admire the mixed child. That was rude.

BBeauty
12-27-2005, 01:42 PM
It&#39;s funny because this topic happened to come up in my office last week.

I had a discussion with a co-worker who insisted that Kimora Lee Simmons was 100% black because she has a black father. I argued that she was 1/2 of Japanese decent and 1/2 black American decent because of her parentage. But my co-worker wasn&#39;t hearing me.
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<_<

carmenjones
12-27-2005, 02:51 PM
I think if someone says "mixed babies are pretty" and you take that to mean "non-mixed babies are ugly" that is about YOU, not the person who made the original statement.
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You&#39;re absolutely right.

But I&#39;ve also met quite a few people who HAVE said that, ESPECIALLY black people. "Single raced people can be pretty, but mixed race people are almost always gorgeous!"

I was researching for a paper once and I came across a tidbit of information that said that mixed race people are usually assumed to be beautiful or "exotic" just because they are mixed. But if someone who is supposedly single raced is considered gorgeous (especially if they&#39;re black), they usually have some physical characteristic that resembles that of another group (i.e. extremely long hair, slanted eyes, a certain nose shape, etc.).

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equality
12-27-2005, 03:45 PM
Why is the term exotic offensive?
To me it just means not ordinary.
And it changes overtime as well as place.
Bi- racial white/black is not really exotic anymore here in the US, but it might still be elsewhere.
Now Asian/white and Blasian is the new exotic.
And it IS exotic cause we haven&#39;t seen it as much as black/white.
These Blasians don&#39;t like the word cause they probably felt so different growing up and now even though they are being lauded, it is for the difference.
Heck get over it!!

Maybe one day, pure white, pure African and pure Asian will be exotic!!

Sunchild
12-27-2005, 04:04 PM
I think if someone says "mixed babies are pretty" and you take that to mean "non-mixed babies are ugly" that is about YOU, not the person who made the original statement.
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I think this is an extremely over generalized assumption to make.

As if their is no sociohistoric context that goes along with being mixed relative to a hierarchy of beauty in this country.

setarcos
12-27-2005, 05:07 PM
I was researching for a paper once and I came across a tidbit of information that said that mixed race people are usually assumed to be beautiful or "exotic" just because they are mixed. But if someone who is supposedly single raced is considered gorgeous (especially if they&#39;re black), they usually have some physical characteristic that resembles that of another group (i.e. extremely long hair, slanted eyes, a certain nose shape, etc.).
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Just as an aside, I think we should be careful about assigning certain features to specific races, e.g. slanted eyes = Asian, or straight nose = white. Sometimes its more about ethnicity than race. E.g. some members of my family, including myself, have somewhat slanted eyes. People have sometimes asked me and my sister if we are "mixed with Chinese". One guy recently hollering at me on the street also told me he could see I had some Asian blood in me.

When really, from my personal observations, and from having Nigerians mistake me for one of them over the years, I have come to the conclusion that my large slanted eyes come from the Igbo tribe in Nigeria. Don&#39;t think they&#39;re Asian at all. ^_^

sheeks
12-27-2005, 05:18 PM
People tell me and my boyfreind ( he&#39;s asian) of 3 years that we would have pretty babies together just because of the mix. I wonder would those same people say the same thing if I was with a black man and if he was with an asian girl?
I think that would be highly unlikely.

onie_p
12-27-2005, 05:30 PM
I think if someone says "mixed babies are pretty" and you take that to mean "non-mixed babies are ugly" that is about YOU, not the person who made the original statement.
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I agree!!!!

olly300
12-27-2005, 07:26 PM
I think if someone says "mixed babies are pretty" and you take that to mean "non-mixed babies are ugly" that is about YOU, not the person who made the original statement.
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Depends on context.

If the person who says that is a complete stranger, acquaintance or work colleague and has stated a negative comment before stating that the facial features of a particular ethic group or race are ugly I would see them as racist. And if they saw a baby and made a comment in my presence I would still see them as racist and would take that they meant "non-mixed babies are ugly".

Simply because I have meet people who have made racist comments about an ethnic groups facial features and about stereotypical characteristics they expect that group to have, but seeing a baby from the same ethnic group or mixed with that ethnic group make statements that the baby is pretty or cute.

MsCurly85
12-27-2005, 09:08 PM
People tell me and my boyfreind ( he&#39;s asian) of 3 years that we would have pretty babies together just because of the mix. I wonder would those same people say the same thing if I was with a black man and if he was with an asian girl?
I think that would be highly unlikely.
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yup!

Exotic Natural
12-27-2005, 09:13 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/esha17/picture%20album%205/0cm5.jpg

That is Christina Milian&#39;s mom. There are plenty of people that are Cuban and Black. My nationality is American and my ethnicity is black.

@Jennaboo-http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/foxy_brown/index.shtml This is where Foxy Brown said that she is Trinidadian and asian.

Sorry about the pic being big.
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thats right,my mom is a black cuban and my father is bajan, a lot of people in the islands are mixed with asian

candy kisses
12-27-2005, 10:28 PM
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Alot of Black and asian people share some of the same physical features (i.e. wide nose, slanted eyes, high cheekbones). Alot of my asian friends have been mistaken for black, and I have been mistaken for Asian, even though I am more than likely mostly black genetically. I&#39;ve seen black and half asian people with napptural hair, so sometimes I can&#39;t really be 100% sure just by looking at the hair texture.

As far as the assumption that black and asian people make pretty babies, I will have to disagree with that. I absolutely hate it when adults make comments about "mixed babies being pretty" infront of non-mixed children, and don&#39;t pay the un-mixed children any compliments. That&#39;s so rude, ignorant, and disrespectful. When I compliment young black children on their beauty, alot of them seem so surprised and so happy at the same time.
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I completely agree with the bolded part and your post. I didn&#39;t even know Amerie was half-Korean because she looks Black. Didn&#39;t know Foxy Brown had any Asian in her either because I&#39;ve seen that look in the Black population before. Brandy could easily be one of those women posted also. Black/Asian mixed people tend to just look like Black folk to me. I think it is because we share a lot of our features with Asians.

No one needs another races blood to be attractive or intelligent. If Gabriele Union was half-Asian and Amerie was just Black they would be all over Gabriele Union just because she had that "mix" in her instead of African American. In Race we lust indeed.
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I don&#39;t think Blacks and Asians share the same physical features, at all. Slanted eyes? What Blacks are you looking at? A Black person being mistaken for Asian or vice versa. . .wokay.

Not all mixed kids turn out pretty--that&#39;s one of the biggest misunderstandings. Some people just categorize them as being beautiful because the Black people love their lightskin and &#39;good hair&#39;, and the white people love their tan skin. Regardless to their actual appearance, mixed people are automatically thought of as beautiful because of the stereotype. White girls come out prettier than mixed girls, Black girls come out prettier than mixed girls, etc. but the mixies have the beautiful stereotype--regardless to how unpretty or bland or cliche their features are.

As far as the Black and Asian mix, I&#39;ve always heard people say that they least prefer that mix in terms of looks. I guess that&#39;s changing though.

natural-forever
12-27-2005, 10:46 PM
And an ugly obese White woman, at least for some brothers, is preferred over all because of their White Europeaness. :lol:

caraqueen
12-27-2005, 10:59 PM
People tend to focus on the pretty mixed people and come to the erroneus conclusion that mixed people in general are beautiful, of course they are too busy checking them out to notice the plain or average looking ones.... if they are plain and average sometimes they overlook that and elevate them to beauty status simply because they are mixed. I have seen some beautiful mixes and some plain ones, some ugly ones too, they are no different from monoracial in that you never know what you are going to get. I think it is just silly and narrowminded to think that just because someone is mixed with something that they must be beautiful or two people of a different race or even two light complected black people (I KNOW most people on here have heard that one ) are surely going to make pretty babies -flat out

caraqueen
12-27-2005, 11:17 PM
Um, I am with blackentropy, I guess you can ask me what black people I have seen too. :lol: Because I have truly seen monoracial black people with slanted eyes. A girl I went to high school with as a matter of fact, people used to tease her all the time about her slanted eyes and she was black & black not one drop of asian blood. I have seen many asian people who look totally black, and to me, Amerie looks black, the lady from Girlfriends is half asian she looks black to me, and Foxy Brown looks black to me, Tyson Beckford looks black to me too and does he not have asian heritage as well. I never really noticed the asian features until someone informed me that these people were in fact of asian descent. Then I started looking for it. My ex-boyfriend&#39;s son who is half asian looks black to me too,....... hecky heck he looks just like his father.

JustAverage
12-27-2005, 11:21 PM
I believe Tyson is 1/4 asian. I saw it on VH1&#39;s Race O Rama&#39;s In race we lust tv special.

caraqueen
12-27-2005, 11:23 PM
I believe Tyson is 1/4 asian. I saw it on VH1&#39;s Race O Rama&#39;s In race we lust tv special.
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Thanks, I also believe he is 100% FINE. :D

BBeauty
12-27-2005, 11:26 PM
I don&#39;t think Blacks and Asians share the same physical features, at all. Slanted eyes? What Blacks are you looking at? A Black person being mistaken for Asian or vice versa. . .wokay.
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<_< Out of a world filled with Black people are you saying that we only have one look or were born to look a certain way?

Looking at different ethnic groups within various African countries people DO have &#39;slanted&#39; eyes and these groups have nothing to do with mixing with Asians. Asians do not have the monopoly on so-called &#39;slanted&#39; eyes-that is a misconception.

*To me Brandy resembles people from West Africa (more specifically Nigeria-though I am not 100% sure on which Ethnic group...possibly Igbo/Ibo).

carmenjones
12-27-2005, 11:26 PM
Just as an aside, I think we should be careful about assigning certain features to specific races, e.g. slanted eyes = Asian, or straight nose = white. Sometimes its more about ethnicity than race. E.g. some members of my family, including myself, have somewhat slanted eyes. People have sometimes asked me and my sister if we are "mixed with Chinese". One guy recently hollering at me on the street also told me he could see I had some Asian blood in me.

When really, from my personal observations, and from having Nigerians mistake me for one of them over the years, I have come to the conclusion that my large slanted eyes come from the Igbo tribe in Nigeria. Don&#39;t think they&#39;re Asian at all. ^_^
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I didn&#39;t want to imply in my post that certain racial groups are always the ones with certain features. There are always exceptions and that should go without saying. But the vast majority of Asian people that I&#39;ve seen...have slanted eyes. :lol: I&#39;m not saying you have slanted eyes because you have some distant asian ancestor, but there are more than enough Asian people with slanted eyes in the world to pretty much assume that it&#39;s a common trait among them. Besides, that topic itself has the potential to slide clean down the slippery slope when everybody knows the point I&#39;m trying to make.

But nonetheless, I think you get what I&#39;m saying. Every one of us is "exotic" in some corner of the world.

blackentropy
12-27-2005, 11:50 PM
I don&#39;t think Blacks and Asians share the same physical features, at all. Slanted eyes? What Blacks are you looking at? [/b]

I never said that ALL blacks and ALL asians share the same physical features, but from what I have seen personally, ALOT of them do.


A Black person being mistaken for Asian or vice versa. . .wokay. [/b]

Yeah, I know it sounds pretty unbelievable to many, but I have seen it happen on several occassions.

darkwater28
12-27-2005, 11:54 PM
It goes back in history when, the slaveowners bi-racial children, were held on a pedestal, told they were better, given special privileges, and held at a higher degree of beauty than the black African slaves. If anyone has seen the movie "Queen" (w/Halle Berry) they know what I&#39;m talkin&#39; about.

This idea still continues within the African Diaspora, that the master&#39;s kids are better and prettier, then the field folk. "Mixed" may be different, but it doesn&#39;t mean prettier. I know too many unattractive biracial people to say that biracial = attractive.

It&#39;s funny because I have 3 nieces, one of my nieces is white and black, the other two are black. My "mixed" niece is very fair and has curly caucasian-type hair and has gray eyes. My other nieces are cinnamon chocolate little girls. But the funny thing is they all have the same family facial features.

However, my fair niece is constantly being told she is prettier than her sisters, by others. When in reality my darker nieces carry the family features better.

I tend to agree with the overall tone of this thread.

TwistedXn
12-28-2005, 12:04 AM
Maybe one day, pure white, pure African and pure Asian will be exotic!!
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I hear you. Very few of us of African descent in America are 100% African anyway.


:smil3f9cf95099cff: Christina&#39;s mom&#39;s purse and shoes are rockin&#39;!


<))))x

bohemienne
12-28-2005, 12:09 AM
It goes back in history when, the slaveowners bi-racial children, were held on a pedestal, told they were better, given special privileges, and held at a higher degree of beauty than the black African slaves. If anyone has seen the movie "Queen" (w/Halle Berry) they know what I&#39;m talkin&#39; about.

This idea still continues within the African Diaspora, that the master&#39;s kids are better and prettier, then the field folk. "Mixed" may be different, but it doesn&#39;t mean prettier. I know too many unattractive biracial people to say that biracial = attractive.

It&#39;s funny because I have 3 nieces, one of my nieces is white and black, the other two are black. My "mixed" niece is very fair and has curly caucasian-type hair and has gray eyes. My other nieces are cinnamon chocolate little girls. But the funny thing is they all have the same family facial features.

However, my fair niece is constantly being told she is prettier than her sisters, by others. When in reality my darker nieces carry the family features better.

I tend to agree with the overall tone of this thread.
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This sounds like the situation with one of my own sibs. I&#39;m light caramel skinned and one of my younger sisters is darker complected. We look almost exactly alike, yet it is always a competition with other folks. We never notice until someone says something.

This is us, sister is the 1st one:

http://www.geocities.com/blisslaetus/campics/ced.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/blisslaetus/campics/thuggin.JPG

blackentropy
12-28-2005, 12:15 AM
This sounds like the situation with one of my own sibs. I&#39;m light caramel skinned and one of my younger sisters is darker complected. We look almost exactly alike, yet it is always a competition with other folks. We never notice until someone says something.

This is us, sister is the 1st one:

http://www.geocities.com/blisslaetus/campics/ced.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/blisslaetus/campics/thuggin.JPG
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Wow, you and your sister look like exactly alike. At first, I thought it was two pictures of the same individual.

bohemienne
12-28-2005, 12:21 AM
Yes...and it&#39;s not the best picture of us, well, me in particular (lol) but I could really see the resemblence with these.

People actually have the nerve to say we look nothing alike because of our skin color, and some have even said that one of our father&#39;s "must have been the mailman". People :rolleyes: <_<

ETA: Forgot to add before, I&#39;m the eldest. She&#39;s 16 and I&#39;m 18, and we have 2 other sibs.

caraqueen
12-28-2005, 01:13 AM
Yes...and it&#39;s not the best picture of us, well, me in particular (lol) but I could really see the resemblence with these.

People actually have the nerve to say we look nothing alike because of our skin color, and some have even said that one of our father&#39;s "must have been the mailman". People :rolleyes: <_<

ETA: Forgot to add before, I&#39;m the eldest. She&#39;s 16 and I&#39;m 18, and we have 2 other sibs.
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You two look very much like twins. It really never ceases to amaze how people pay attention to nothing but skin tone as if that is the only "feature" that exists.

novabeauty
12-28-2005, 01:37 AM
that doesn&#39;t offend me so much as irritate me.

first off, people in the public eye/celebrities are not a proper representation of folks of any category. celebs are famous and all over tv/movies/magazines/music videos because they are attractive.

second genetics is a trip. there is no assurance that a certain combination with yield specific results. i have seen bi-racial children that are beautiful and then seen some that are just special looking. they are usually siblings. maybe the "good" genes run out or get tired after multiple iterations.

littlemommy2gabe
12-28-2005, 02:23 AM
I also think a lot of the issue lies in people having the idea that Black + Anything Else improves on Black. THAT&#39;S where there&#39;s a problem. ...[/b]

I agree with this. I think it depends on the persons preconception as to what beauty is.

I have had people tell me that my husband and I would make pretty babies. Not because our child would be mixed, but simply because my husband is a handsome black man and I am a beautiful black woman.

But you got some folks who are stuck in that "house slave, field slave" mentality (especially some of the older folks down in the south where I&#39;m from). These people feel that any thing that can be done to "take the edge off" some of the black features that the child would otherwise inherit is a good thing. If you got a very ethnic-featured black woman, with very kinky hair, and dark skin, and african features, and she gets pregnant by, say, a latino, some of those older folks where I am from would make a comment like, "Well, at least it&#39;s gonna be a pretty baby." Simply cause the child may (or may NOT) avoid the kinkier hair textures, and the dark skin tones, and may even be "lucky" enough to come out with a lighter eye color.

This I take offense at.

candy kisses
12-28-2005, 02:28 AM
Um, I am with blackentropy, I guess you can ask me what black people I have seen too. :lol: Because I have truly seen monoracial black people with slanted eyes. A girl I went to high school with as a matter of fact, people used to tease her all the time about her slanted eyes and she was black & black not one drop of asian blood. I have seen many asian people who look totally black, and to me, Amerie looks black, the lady from Girlfriends is half asian she looks black to me, and Foxy Brown looks black to me, Tyson Beckford looks black to me too and does he not have asian heritage as well. I never really noticed the asian features until someone informed me that these people were in fact of asian descent. Then I started looking for it. My ex-boyfriend&#39;s son who is half asian looks black to me too,....... hecky heck he looks just like his father.
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I&#39;ve seen white people and hispanics with slanted eyes too. It&#39;s not a dominant feature in their races just like it isn&#39;t in our race. With Asians on the other hand, it is.

meagan22
12-28-2005, 03:00 AM
People have sometimes asked me and my sister if we are "mixed with Chinese". One guy recently hollering at me on the street also told me he could see I had some Asian blood in me. [/b]
^^:icon_headshake:

People have asked me if I&#39;m mixed with asian/polonesian/Native American I get annoyed when random people approach me on the street or in public bathrooms and ask me about my heritage. But what annoys me more is when people say stuff like "Well, people don&#39;t have to know that you&#39;re just Black. You could still pass for mixed." or "But you have to be mixed, just look at your eyes and your cheekbones......."
I understand that most people ask because they think of my phenotype positively, but there are better ways to go about it. I don&#39;t think of being told that I "looked mixed" as a compliment because I don&#39;t consider mixed hertiage to be an accomplishment. <_<

caraqueen
12-28-2005, 10:44 AM
I also have noticed that some black and white people tend to label the lighter and straighter haired asian mixes as beautiful.
It&#39;s the same mentality that a lot black people have amongst each other about the lighter skin and "good hair" biases. Most of the time the underlying meaning is that black is not beautiful and another gene is needed to improve it. That annoys me.

olly300
12-28-2005, 11:34 AM
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Um, I am with blackentropy, I guess you can ask me what black people I have seen too. :lol: Because I have truly seen monoracial black people with slanted eyes. A girl I went to high school with as a matter of fact, people used to tease her all the time about her slanted eyes and she was black & black not one drop of asian blood. I have seen many asian people who look totally black, and to me, Amerie looks black, the lady from Girlfriends is half asian she looks black to me, and Foxy Brown looks black to me, Tyson Beckford looks black to me too and does he not have asian heritage as well. I never really noticed the asian features until someone informed me that these people were in fact of asian descent. Then I started looking for it. My ex-boyfriend&#39;s son who is half asian looks black to me too,....... hecky heck he looks just like his father.
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I&#39;ve seen white people and hispanics with slanted eyes too. It&#39;s not a dominant feature in their races just like it isn&#39;t in our race. With Asians on the other hand, it is.
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A person from India is an Asian.

A person from Turkey (East of Bosporus) is an Asian.

A person from Saudi Arabia is an Asian.

People from these countries who are Asian, may have slanted eyes but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a dominant feature.

When most people look for mixed with Asian they are looking for a lighter skin colour like the Indian Bollywood stars who look white, and for women straight hair or long hair. Lots of Asian facial features particular those of people from India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and the Arab countries don&#39;t look out of place on a person who is 100% Black.

I know a mixed Indian and black guy, to the world he is Black. What is even more interesting that he looks like in facial features and skin tone, some of his extended family (aunts, uncles, cousins) who as far as they know are 100% Indian.

When people are looking for these "exotic" features they are looking for features that mean the person is "less of" a particular racial group in their eyes. So if you are less Asian looking and less Black looking then you are seen as "exotic".

Most celebrities are more attractive than the majority of the population, and have had plastic surgery to Europeanise some of their more ethnic features e.g. nose jobs

Marissa
12-28-2005, 02:09 PM
I find this whole topic to be very interesting. I also think the media has a huge influence on what we consider beautiful. I don&#39;t know if any of you watch the TV show girlfriends, but in case you don&#39;t, one of the leads, Toni (black woman) had a child with Todd (white man). The thing is (and one of the reasons I have stopped watching the show, other than the fact that the storyline has sucked), Toni keeps making little quips about the child having good hair, and the like. I know that it is all in good fun, and these comments are in line with Toni&#39;s character, but it still annoys the ish out of me.




A person from Saudi Arabia is an Asian.

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:smil3f9cf95099cff: i thought they would be considered Middle-Eastern.

JustAverage
12-28-2005, 02:20 PM
I remember an episode of girlfriends where Toni was in an argument with her mom and I think her mom went to strike her and she said something along the lines of "I&#39;m carrying your only good-haired grandbaby."

bollyhair
12-28-2005, 03:05 PM
I made the MISTAKE of telling a biracial (B/W) cousin and a biracial friend (B/W) that I didn&#39;t think that Amerie nor Kimora Lee were pretty, imo. I say "mistake" because that turned into a WW III-ish discussion about how "mixies are the best looking" and how "people need to stop hating on mixies", etc., etc., etc. Now, I was like, WTH? Because I think that Kimora is puffy-faced and unattractive, I gotta be jealous? I think she does look like a straight up Asian woman, but does that mean that any random Asian woman walking down the street is Beautiful? And I think otherwise, I&#39;m jealous? Now, never mind that we were discussing celebrities and looks when this whole &#39;issue&#39; broke out, and never mind the fact that I had just previously said that I also do not think that Kelly Rowland is pretty, imo, and they also agreed. And when I brought that up and was like, "But did I say ya&#39;ll were jealous of Kelly cause you don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?" or "Why didn&#39;t you think I was jealous of Kelly Rowland? Cause she&#39;s brownskinned and therefore there&#39;s no reason to be?" They couldn&#39;t say anything, but I really thought this interesting because I was like, "Apparently you are the one causing your own drama if you&#39;re walking around thinking that every Black person is jealous of you because you are mixed"----all I said was that I didn&#39;t think that two biracial women were attractive, not because they&#39;re mixed, but because TO ME,....THEY ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE! Why is it that if you say that someone who is brown or darker is not pretty, that is okay, but if you say someone who is of a certain complexion is unattractive, you&#39;re JEALOUS? Nevermind that they may have 3 TEETH in their mouth, 1 lEG, and NO HAIR, but if you say, "You know,...she&#39;s really not cute!", you gotta be a HATER???? What tha?

vicchnu
12-28-2005, 03:40 PM
I agree with you Kimora is odd looking and not attractive at all (in my opinion of course).

carmenjones
12-28-2005, 03:51 PM
Wow bollyhair brought up an excellent point.

I was reading another forum where they were discussing attractive celebrities and someone came along and said they thought Beyonce was ugly. The whole board flew into a hissy fit, especially the black men. "There is no way Beyonce is ugly! Now, if you don&#39;t think she&#39;s that attractive, okay that&#39;s your jacked up opinion. But the girl is NOT ugly. You&#39;re a hater".

Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"

<_< Why should I?

novabeauty
12-28-2005, 05:33 PM
Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"


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haha i don&#39;t think she is the bee knee&#39;s at all either. i don&#39;t dislike her but i often wondered how she was cast as the more beautiful sexual woman in movies and tv shows. i think her head is shaped really funny. like its almost flat and her weave is never right. there is always something wrong with it. but i guess men rarely evaluate the shape of a woman&#39;s head.
i am often accused of being a hater...but i think i am a hater at heart. <_<

candy kisses
12-28-2005, 09:30 PM
Wow bollyhair brought up an excellent point.

I was reading another forum where they were discussing attractive celebrities and someone came along and said they thought Beyonce was ugly. The whole board flew into a hissy fit, especially the black men. "There is no way Beyonce is ugly! Now, if you don&#39;t think she&#39;s that attractive, okay that&#39;s your jacked up opinion. But the girl is NOT ugly. You&#39;re a hater".

Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"

<_< Why should I?
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LOL yeah I&#39;ve been called a hater and envious because I think Ashanti and Christina Millian are prettier than Beyonce. I also remember when I said that Nicole Richie wasn&#39;t pretty at all on a message board, and everyone started jumping down my throat saying that I was a hater and jealous of her because she was light.

Some black girls do hate on lightskinned women, that&#39;s a fact. The problem is that some lightskinned or mixed women are quick to call every black girl a hater to boost their ego. I&#39;ve seen some unattractive lightskinned women advertise how darker black girls hate on them; they spend their time trying to convince themselves of that more so than us. And, at the same time I&#39;ve seen some beautiful lightskinned girls get shunned by black girls out of envy.

BBeauty
12-29-2005, 12:31 AM
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Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"


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haha i don&#39;t think she is the bee knee&#39;s at all either. i don&#39;t dislike her but i often wondered how she was cast as the more beautiful sexual woman in movies and tv shows. i think her head is shaped really funny. like its almost flat and her weave is never right. there is always something wrong with it. but i guess men rarely evaluate the shape of a woman&#39;s head.
i am often accused of being a hater...but i think i am a hater at heart. <_<
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I&#39;m sorry, but whether you&#39;re a hater or not, she is :o looking.

JustAverage
12-29-2005, 02:51 AM
candy kisses~ I guess the people on that mesage board didn&#39;t see Nicole&#39;s anorexic chic look. Her body is nasty. I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is pretty either.

olly300
12-29-2005, 12:53 PM
I find this whole topic to be very interesting. I also think the media has a huge influence on what we consider beautiful. I don&#39;t know if any of you watch the TV show girlfriends, but in case you don&#39;t, one of the leads, Toni (black woman) had a child with Todd (white man). The thing is (and one of the reasons I have stopped watching the show, other than the fact that the storyline has sucked), Toni keeps making little quips about the child having good hair, and the like. I know that it is all in good fun, and these comments are in line with Toni&#39;s character, but it still annoys the ish out of me.

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A person from Saudi Arabia is an Asian.

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:smil3f9cf95099cff: I thought they would be considered Middle-Eastern.
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:smil3f9cf95099cff:
Asia is a continent which is a geographic region.

The Middle East is a political and culture subregion of Asia and Northern Africa.

So if you are from Saudia Arabia you are both Asian and Middle Eastern.
If you are from Morocco you are both African and Middle Eastern. ( I use to have fun with the Moroccans at school pointing this fact out. )

The point I am trying to make is that when you are saying someone is Asian or African you need to specify what country they come from as these regions are the most populous on Earth. As features specific to one group or part of the continent are not specific to another.

CurlyQT
12-29-2005, 02:35 PM
I generally don&#39;t think that Amerie, Kimora Lee Simmons, or Nicole Parker-Kudjo are very attractive. Hollywood paints these people to look a certain way with all the makeup and airbrushing they do on their photos and then when the makeup comes off it&#39;s a disaster.

On the subject of mixed people being pretty, I&#39;ve seen some very nice looking mixed kids and I&#39;ve seen some mixed messes. You never know what you&#39;re going to get when you have a child with anybody so to assume that a child will be good looking simply because they have two parents of different ethnic groups means nothing. I think that we in the black community and other communities give these mixed children a superiority complex where they think that they&#39;re better looking than monoethnic black children or in the case of asians, monoethnic asian children by virtue of being half (you fill in the blank). I didn&#39;t see Girlfriends, but I decided that I would not continue to watch it for that reason.As the future mother of mixed children (yes my DH is white) I find the "good hair" talk very offensive and will make sure to raise my children to be confident in themselves without thinking they are better than others because they won&#39;t be. They will be special because they are themselves, not because of their white father or their AA mother. I&#39;m praying that my children come out attractive because I am not guaranteed attractive children no matter who I hooked up with. Hell my kids could take after my husband&#39;s grandmother on his father&#39;s side and she was NOT an attractive woman. Lift me up ladies!! :lol:

I remember there was this one family where there were 3 brothers and a sister. Their mother was white and their father was black. All of them had curly dirty blonde hair and light eyes. Well when I was in middle school everybody thought they were the best looking people out there. They were so UGLY!!!! They were a bunch of mixed messes. People wondered why I didn&#39;t think that they were good looking. "Don&#39;t you see how light their eyes are? Don&#39;t you see their good hair? They&#39;re light skin?" I basically told them I see all that, but that doesn&#39;t make one good looking. My reply: "Don&#39;t you see that they&#39;re faces are messed up? They&#39;re bodies are shaped funny? The proportions between their heads and bodies is off?" I let them know that being mixed isn&#39;t special. We&#39;re all human beings and that&#39;s it. We come in different varieties. That&#39;s great, but it doesn&#39; mean that someone is better than you because they have a trait that you don&#39;t express phenotypically (physically).

Marissa
12-29-2005, 03:12 PM
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A person from Saudi Arabia is an Asian.

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:smil3f9cf95099cff: I thought they would be considered Middle-Eastern.
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:smil3f9cf95099cff:
Asia is a continent which is a geographic region.

The Middle East is a political and culture subregion of Asia and Northern Africa.

So if you are from Saudia Arabia you are both Asian and Middle Eastern.
If you are from Morocco you are both African and Middle Eastern. ( I use to have fun with the Moroccans at school pointing this fact out. )

The point I am trying to make is that when you are saying someone is Asian or African you need to specify what country they come from as these regions are the most populous on Earth. As features specific to one group or part of the continent are not specific to another.
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:smil3f9cf95099cff:

Since that wasn&#39;t mentioned in the first post, I didn&#39;t know where you were going or the point that was being made. Most people I know from those regions like Egypt, for example, usually consider themselves one or the other, African or Middle-Eastern, but not both. I don&#39;t think anyone I know from the "Persian" region of the world, have considered themselves Asian even though they are from the continent of Asia. I guess the point with all of this is that sometimes even though titles may be geographically accurate, it really only comes down to what people themselves consider themselves to be. Sorry to veer so far off topic.

emerald06
12-29-2005, 03:22 PM
:smil3f9cf95099cff:

Since that wasn&#39;t mentioned in the first post, I didn&#39;t know where you were going or the point that was being made. Most people I know from those regions like Egypt, for example, usually consider themselves one or the other, African or Middle-Eastern, but not both. I don&#39;t think anyone I know from the "Persian" region of the world, have considered themselves Asian even though they are from the continent of Asia. I guess the point with all of this is that sometimes even though titles may be geographically accurate, it really only comes down to what people themselves consider themselves to be. Sorry to veer so far off topic.
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I recall raising an eyebrow when I saw Indian folk in the Asian Student Association at school. You never know what people think of themselves as being unless you ask. Like some Black people would never consider themselves African American, some people from the Middle-East may never consider themselves as Asian or African.

:smil3f9cf95099cff: I also recall riding the campus buses and overhearing conversations, "Where are the Brown people going Friday night?" I always thought we should be considered brown since it&#39;s more of an accurate description. Oh well.

trakar
12-29-2005, 03:27 PM
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I get annoyed with the whole "mixed kids are sooo beautiful" ideology because it focuses on external beauty, which we have FAR too much focus on in our society. As a mother of bicultural/biracial children, I honestly do NOT like when folks say things relating to my children&#39;s beauty *because* they are "mixed". :angry: I want my girls to feel they are beautiful because they are made by God, not because of some notion of exoticism placed by our superficial society on looks. I want them to focus on what&#39;s in their heads rather than looks -- something they had nothing to do with.

Besides, when we buy into believing biracial/cultural folks (who have a Black parent) are more beautiful because they are "mixed", we are buying into the myth that Black folks aren&#39;t beautiful as-is. Like we&#39;ve gotta be mixed with something before society can call us beautiful. Shoot, if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.
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The part in bold is especially true. Don&#39;t yall get a kick out of when you see reviews on black models and stuff they want to claim every single ethnicity in the world except anything to do with their "blackness"?

I am the mother of a biracial little boy and it gets really really old. My daughter is not mixed and I hate it when people just act like she isn&#39;t even there and dote all over my son and yes I do call them out on it (loud enough so no one else will try that bs neither). It&#39;s rude, narrow-minded and insensitive. The sad thing is they don&#39;t even realize it&#39;s a problem :rolleyes:.
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Wow Tempest that is awful - as if we haven&#39;t had to deal with this enough just being black in a predominately white world! Reminds me of the artical that Diana Ross oldest child wrote for Essence on how growing up with two biracial sisters made her feel invisible because people would ignore her.

Kadeepoo
12-29-2005, 04:06 PM
Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"

<_< Why should I?[/b]

i hear ya. i for one do not think halle barry is that beautiful. i said this once in class and a hush fell over the roomhttp://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/scared/scared0012.gif

bollyhair
12-29-2005, 07:13 PM
I am in NO WAY color-struck NOR a color-HATER, but why is it that the general view is that if someone was to say: "I don&#39;t think Gabrielle Union nor Nia Long is pretty" (which I DO),...NO ONE would think that that was a statement made out of "jealousy". Typically, no one would &#39;question&#39; your motives for making such a statement or say they were being &#39;hated on&#39; for their "brown skin".

Oh, who is the one on "Girlfriends" that is supposed to be half Asian?

JustAverage
12-29-2005, 08:00 PM
I think it&#39;s Maya aka Golden Brooks. I don&#39;t think she&#39;s half asian thouh. Maybe a quarter. I&#39;m not sure though.

double_nae
12-29-2005, 10:46 PM
Christina Milian&#39;s mother looks black to me.
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umm, how are you basing her mother&#39;s looks? is it the stereotypical look? sorry, I just had to ask.

MissEmbrya
12-29-2005, 10:54 PM
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I get annoyed with the whole "mixed kids are sooo beautiful" ideology because it focuses on external beauty, which we have FAR too much focus on in our society. As a mother of bicultural/biracial children, I honestly do NOT like when folks say things relating to my children&#39;s beauty *because* they are "mixed". :angry: I want my girls to feel they are beautiful because they are made by God, not because of some notion of exoticism placed by our superficial society on looks. I want them to focus on what&#39;s in their heads rather than looks -- something they had nothing to do with.

Besides, when we buy into believing biracial/cultural folks (who have a Black parent) are more beautiful because they are "mixed", we are buying into the myth that Black folks aren&#39;t beautiful as-is. Like we&#39;ve gotta be mixed with something before society can call us beautiful. Shoot, if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.
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The part in bold is especially true. Don&#39;t yall get a kick out of when you see reviews on black models and stuff they want to claim every single ethnicity in the world except anything to do with their "blackness"?

I am the mother of a biracial little boy and it gets really really old. My daughter is not mixed and I hate it when people just act like she isn&#39;t even there and dote all over my son and yes I do call them out on it (loud enough so no one else will try that bs neither). It&#39;s rude, narrow-minded and insensitive. The sad thing is they don&#39;t even realize it&#39;s a problem :rolleyes:.
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Please continue to shower extra attention on your daughter. Personally speaking (as one of few darkies in my extended family :) ), it is very painful how I&#39;ve always had to live in the shadow of my siblings, cousins, nephews, parents, etc. just because I have the skin tone of my paternal grandmother. I&#39;m 22, and that **** still affects me... :huh:

MsCurly85
12-29-2005, 11:18 PM
<div class='quotemain'>Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"

<_< Why should I?[/b]

i hear ya. i for one do not think halle barry is that beautiful. i said this once in class and a hush fell over the roomhttp://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/scared/scared0012.gif
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halle barry isn&#39;t that beautiful to me. I really think shes just average.

JustAverage
12-29-2005, 11:47 PM
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Christina Milian&#39;s mother looks black to me.
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umm, how are you basing her mother&#39;s looks? is it the stereotypical look? sorry, I just had to ask.
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I don&#39;t really believe there is a stereotypical look. Her mother looks like my aunt.

For those of you who mentioned Halle Berry when I was younger I thought she was so gorgeous and now I don&#39;t see what makes her stand out. Why everyone makes a big deal out of it. She looks just like anyone else I&#39;ve seen. Beyonce looks average to me as well. My aunt was telling me the other day how she thinks latino women are the most gorgeous in the world and models are not that pretty or those miss america women. I agree with the models part. So then I said black women are just as pretty and she kind of got quiet and then she made a statement about if they lost weight they would be pretty. So then I said don&#39;t you think Naomi Campbell is pretty and she said she&#39;s alright but she&#39;s not as pretty as those people in Uruguay and Puerto Rico.

KnappilyMe
12-30-2005, 01:14 PM
no because its obvious that the BLACK is what is making them look better, every race looks better w/ a lil black in them!!
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<span style="font-family:Comic Sans Ms">Hells yeah! ^_^ :Cool_049: Im a &#39;blackinese&#39; or &#39;Blasian&#39; or "polka dot" *my momma calls me that* and i feel the "BLACK" in me makes me even better.

i get it all the time. "you just a nother n**** that has n**** skin and n**** hair" :rolleyes:

But i know my blood line. does not bother me one bit. Im secure with my heritage to not really give a rats azz what anyone else thinks about it

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CASCT
12-30-2005, 05:04 PM
What offeneded them and what offends me is when people have the mentality that being 100% (inset race) isn&#39;t as beautiful as being mixed. Black people struggle the hardest with this primarily because we have been taught that we were ugly and noone wants anything to do with us. Now the media comes along and sets the standard on what the black woman has to look like. They pick mixed people (with long bone straight hair, skinny nose, and tan skin) to represent the "black" woman. (Remember Themla from Good Times?) Now all of the Black community and the rest of America are buying in to this crap and interracial couples are getting together for the wrong reasons. It&#39;s sad and it&#39;s ruining us, not helping us.

Now, I never knew that Kimora Lee or Foxy Brown were mixed until now. Just because two races mix doesn&#39;t equal a pretty baby. And just because you&#39;re mixed doesn&#39;t mean you&#39;ll look it, either. There are people out there that are mixed and are just not attractive and there are some 100% (inset race) people out there are just as beautiful and "exotic". You don&#39;t have to be mixed to get that exotic look. I am 100% black and people have mistaken me for being mixed with Native American Indian a number of times. The sad thing is, when I tell them I&#39;m Black, they act is if someone told them some bad news.

Be careful of what you say and how you feel about things. Mixed people had no say so in how they look or who they are. That was between their parents and God. Beauty is on the inside, not the outside. Whether your mixed or not, you&#39;re outer looks won&#39;t last forever, but who you are and what you contributed to this world will.

JustAverage
12-30-2005, 05:18 PM
:smil3f72836ee752e:

blackentropy
12-30-2005, 07:19 PM
Now the media comes along and sets the standard on what the black woman has to look like. They pick mixed people (with long bone straight hair, skinny nose, and tan skin) to represent the "black" woman. (Remember Themla from Good Times?)[/b]

I&#39;m sorry, Thelma from Good Times? Were you using her as an example?

jazzyray
12-31-2005, 12:24 AM
I find it very interesting the debate about Black people and Asian people sometimes having very similar features. I have had people say to me before that some of my facial features look Egyptian but my family background as far as i know is Nigerian from my parents down. I will have to do some more research on that one day because it interests me.



On topic i do think that some bi-racial children can be cute but so can some monoracial children also. I think that has been said time over and so many people have echoed my opinion already so i&#39;ll call that a wrap.

CASCT
12-31-2005, 12:55 AM
Now the media comes along and sets the standard on what the black woman has to look like. They pick mixed people (with long bone straight hair, skinny nose, and tan skin) to represent the "black" woman. (Remember Themla from Good Times?)[/b]

I&#39;m sorry, Thelma from Good Times? Were you using her as an example?
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Yes. I believe she was mixed, but she used to represent the average ghetto black girl.

candy kisses
12-31-2005, 01:45 AM
I agree with the person who said Black models claim every race but Black. Black celebrities do that in general. If a race riot goes down, Halle Berry, Foxy Brown, and Shar Jackson are going to get shot at too.

I remember when Ashanti first came out, during interviews people would always ask her about her race. She&#39;d just simply say &#39;I&#39;m Black&#39; and give that look like, next question please. I really admired that. Many others would&#39;ve went into some long drawn out bs about what they&#39;re mixed with.

blackentropy
12-31-2005, 01:55 AM
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Now the media comes along and sets the standard on what the black woman has to look like. They pick mixed people (with long bone straight hair, skinny nose, and tan skin) to represent the "black" woman. (Remember Themla from Good Times?)[/b]

I&#39;m sorry, Thelma from Good Times? Were you using her as an example?
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Yes. I believe she was mixed, but she used to represent the average ghetto black girl.
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Thelma looked like a "monoracial" black woman to me.


Speaking of the Good Times, I don&#39;t like how some make jokes about Esther Rolle, saying that she is ugly. I thought she was beautiful with her gap, short hair and gorgeous dark skin. She has some physical features that I see in most asians... slanted eyes, high cheekbones, a fairly wide nose. But I have seen actual pictures of beautiful charcoal colored women from Ghana who looked like Esther Rolle&#39;s indentical twins.

CASCT
12-31-2005, 07:40 AM
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Now the media comes along and sets the standard on what the black woman has to look like. They pick mixed people (with long bone straight hair, skinny nose, and tan skin) to represent the "black" woman. (Remember Themla from Good Times?)[/b]

I&#39;m sorry, Thelma from Good Times? Were you using her as an example?
[/b]

Yes. I believe she was mixed, but she used to represent the average ghetto black girl.
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Thelma looked like a "monoracial" black woman to me.


Speaking of the Good Times, I don&#39;t like how some make jokes about Esther Rolle, saying that she is ugly. I thought she was beautiful with her gap, short hair and gorgeous dark skin. She has some physical features that I see in most asians... slanted eyes, high cheekbones, a fairly wide nose. But I have seen actual pictures of beautiful charcoal colored women from Ghana who looked like Esther Rolle&#39;s indentical twins.
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I believe Thelma was mixed (I got this from a MEAC Fans Bulletin Board. It says that Bernadette Stanis calls herself biracial. Doesn&#39;t mean she is, but she claims it) and Esther Rolle was a cute lady :). She was not only beautiful on the outside but I think her beautiful spirit (off camera) made her even better.

herowneulogy
12-31-2005, 11:00 AM
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Um, I am with blackentropy, I guess you can ask me what black people I have seen too. :lol: Because I have truly seen monoracial black people with slanted eyes. A girl I went to high school with as a matter of fact, people used to tease her all the time about her slanted eyes and she was black & black not one drop of asian blood. I have seen many asian people who look totally black, and to me, Amerie looks black, the lady from Girlfriends is half asian she looks black to me, and Foxy Brown looks black to me, Tyson Beckford looks black to me too and does he not have asian heritage as well. I never really noticed the asian features until someone informed me that these people were in fact of asian descent. Then I started looking for it. My ex-boyfriend&#39;s son who is half asian looks black to me too,....... hecky heck he looks just like his father.
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I&#39;ve seen white people and hispanics with slanted eyes too. It&#39;s not a dominant feature in their races just like it isn&#39;t in our race. With Asians on the other hand, it is.
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Ack, so very true. Bjork is icelandic but she looks very much asian.

Cutie McPretty
12-31-2005, 11:48 AM
That&#39;s just stupid... why ppl always hopin to add on to black?? People ask that dumb ish about my hubby -- my answer &#39;he&#39;s black jamaican&#39; why do people always try to add on to the family tree?? -- Tryce

YoGirlToo
12-31-2005, 12:20 PM
thelma from good times may be biracial - but she looks like a typical black girl to me- btw i always thought thelma was was gorgeous

Nappytop
12-31-2005, 01:13 PM
what is Thelma from Good Times? I never knew of this biracial heritage.

ParisC
12-31-2005, 03:18 PM
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Alot of Black and asian people share some of the same physical features (i.e. wide nose, slanted eyes, high cheekbones). Alot of my asian friends have been mistaken for black, and I have been mistaken for Asian, even though I am more than likely mostly black genetically. I&#39;ve seen black and half asian people with napptural hair, so sometimes I can&#39;t really be 100% sure just by looking at the hair texture.

As far as the assumption that black and asian people make pretty babies, I will have to disagree with that. I absolutely hate it when adults make comments about "mixed babies being pretty" infront of non-mixed children, and don&#39;t pay the un-mixed children any compliments. That&#39;s so rude, ignorant, and disrespectful. When I compliment young black children on their beauty, alot of them seem so surprised and so happy at the same time.
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I completely agree with the bolded part and your post. I didn&#39;t even know Amerie was half-Korean because she looks Black. Didn&#39;t know Foxy Brown had any Asian in her either because I&#39;ve seen that look in the Black population before. Brandy could easily be one of those women posted also. Black/Asian mixed people tend to just look like Black folk to me. I think it is because we share a lot of our features with Asians.

No one needs another races blood to be attractive or intelligent. If Gabriele Union was half-Asian and Amerie was just Black they would be all over Gabriele Union just because she had that "mix" in her instead of African American. In Race we lust indeed.
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I don&#39;t think Blacks and Asians share the same physical features, at all. Slanted eyes? What Blacks are you looking at? A Black person being mistaken for Asian or vice versa. . .wokay.

Not all mixed kids turn out pretty--that&#39;s one of the biggest misunderstandings. Some people just categorize them as being beautiful because the Black people love their lightskin and &#39;good hair&#39;, and the white people love their tan skin. Regardless to their actual appearance, mixed people are automatically thought of as beautiful because of the stereotype. White girls come out prettier than mixed girls, Black girls come out prettier than mixed girls, etc. but the mixies have the beautiful stereotype--regardless to how unpretty or bland or cliche their features are.

As far as the Black and Asian mix, I&#39;ve always heard people say that they least prefer that mix in terms of looks. I guess that&#39;s changing though.
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Yeah it happens. I&#39;m an example of that. I am Black & Blacker. :laughs:

And I have been mistaken as Asian, Chinese, and even Egyptian. (Weird? I know.)

Yeah, it&#39;s a slim percentage of people.. but Blacks (to a certain degree) share the same characteristics as Asians.

CASCT
12-31-2005, 03:23 PM
Like I said, she may not be biracial. I just read in an article that she claims to be biracial. She might be one of those people are black, but try to add on the family tree.

carmenjones
12-31-2005, 05:41 PM
Thelma was mixed?! :unsure:

She looked like a regular black chick to me! Wow, you learn someting everyday.

babygirl76
12-31-2005, 06:17 PM
<div class='quotemain'>People have sometimes asked me and my sister if we are "mixed with Chinese". One guy recently hollering at me on the street also told me he could see I had some Asian blood in me. [/b]
^^:icon_headshake:

People have asked me if I&#39;m mixed with asian/polonesian/Native American I get annoyed when random people approach me on the street or in public bathrooms and ask me about my heritage. But what annoys me more is when people say stuff like "Well, people don&#39;t have to know that you&#39;re just Black. You could still pass for mixed." or "But you have to be mixed, just look at your eyes and your cheekbones......."
I understand that most people ask because they think of my phenotype positively, but there are better ways to go about it. I don&#39;t think of being told that I "looked mixed" as a compliment because I don&#39;t consider mixed hertiage to be an accomplishment. <_<
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All though highschool people automatically assumed I was domincan/puerto rican because I had the so called "exotic look". Also when my hubby and I went to a chapel to get married the minister once again assumed that I was Latina due to my name and the supposed appearance of the photo on my driver&#39;s license. I guess they think that I should accept that as a compliment but it is very annoying to be told that I&#39;m something that I am not.

*Edited to remove double quote.

Soulista
12-31-2005, 06:28 PM
Does anybody think the attraction to mixed people might just be base instinct? You know, diverse genetic pool to procreate...the more diverse the better?

I stumbled over this interesting article on culture and beauty ... might be of interest. I surprisingly found some of my own ideas stated here.. I guess that is why I thought it was a good read :D. Scroll down for pics and opinions of African-Americans compared to Africans, some of the statements are shockers (well, they were to me..).
Cultural Difference: It&#39;s Effect on the Perceptions of Beauty and Initial Relations between African and African-American Women (http://www-mcnair.berkeley.edu/2003journal/OAbebe.html)

babygirl76
12-31-2005, 06:52 PM
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Does anybody think the attraction to mixed people might just be base instinct? You know, diverse genetic pool to procreate...the more diverse the better?

I stumbled over this interesting article on culture and beauty ... might be of interest. I surprisingly found some of my own ideas stated here.. I guess that is why I thought it was a good read :D. Scroll down for pics and opinions of African-Americans compared to Africans, some of the statements are shockers (well, they were to me..).
Cultural Difference: It&#39;s Effect on the Perceptions of Beauty and Initial Relations between African and African-American Women (http://www-mcnair.berkeley.edu/2003journal/OAbebe.html)
:unsure: The comments given by the black Americans are very disheartening. It&#39;s sad but I have encountered some of these same attitudes and comments in regards to people of African descent (native born Africans and black Americans). In contrast to the ideas of our eurocentric society; I tend to see attractive qualities in all these women.

natural-forever
12-31-2005, 07:10 PM
Cultural Difference: It&#39;s Effect on the Perceptions of Beauty and Initial Relations between African and African-American Women (http://www-mcnair.berkeley.edu/2003journal/OAbebe.html)


And the Black Americans kept calling people mixed who did not look it and weren&#39;t mixed either while their African counterparts were able to tell they were African. The Africans were also able to tell who was Black American too while yet again Black folk kept calling people mixed or African American when they were actually Africans. The only people Black Americans thought were African were very dark-skinned women with fuller lips.

BBeauty
01-01-2006, 03:51 PM
Does anybody think the attraction to mixed people might just be base instinct? You know, diverse genetic pool to procreate...the more diverse the better?
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Ermm...I would have thought the natural instinct would cause you to go for someone that looked like you...just the fittest/strongest... :huh:

natural-forever
01-01-2006, 07:17 PM
Does anybody think the attraction to mixed people might just be base instinct? You know, diverse genetic pool to procreate...the more diverse the better?
I stumbled over this interesting article on culture and beauty ... might be of interest. I surprisingly found some of my own ideas stated here.. I guess that is why I thought it was a good read :D. Scroll down for pics and opinions of African-Americans compared to Africans, some of the statements are shockers (well, they were to me..).
Cultural Difference: It&#39;s Effect on the Perceptions of Beauty and Initial Relations between African and African-American Women (http://www-mcnair.berkeley.edu/2003journal/OAbebe.html)
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No, because for the longest Whites Americans, (Whites period), avoided, and still do, marrying or coupling outside their race and we know the reason why. Those White guys might say Amerie is so "exotic" (I don&#39;t see it she looks Black) but the majority of them will not marry a person of African descent half or otherwise. If anything they&#39;ll marry Hispanic (the ones that supposedly look "White”) and that&#39;s were the majority of mixed marriages are coming from in America. Most people of other races marry their own also so it&#39;s not like interracial marriages or couplings are 50% of the population. Black and Asian couplings are the rarest so Blasians are not common.

Soulista
01-01-2006, 09:27 PM
No, because for the longest Whites Americans, (Whites period), avoided, and still do, marrying or coupling outside their race and we know the reason why. Those White guys might say Amerie is so "exotic" (I don&#39;t see it she looks Black) but the majority of them will not marry a person of African descent half or otherwise. If anything they&#39;ll marry Hispanic (the ones that supposedly look "White”) and that&#39;s were the majority of mixed marriages are coming from in America. Most people of other races marry their own also so it&#39;s not like interracial marriages or couplings are 50% of the population. Black and Asian couplings are the rarest so Blasians are not common.
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Can&#39;t agree... Personally, and I know I&#39;m going to get slammed for this, but I think the females are a big part of the problem...:D When europeans first built up their colonies (anywhere almost), there were many interracial marriages. It was even encouraged in order for them to build up their colonies - the problem always seemed to really start as soon as european women were also brought to the colonies to help build a society (have children, raise children...build a society) - they had no room for competition, or for anything they didn&#39;t understand and shut the doors of society on the women of other races and their offspring. This was really clear in South Africa...the first settlers there intermarried and had their own villages...along came the next wave of settlers, with women and history took it&#39;s course.

It is even obvious in the tone of some of the comments made in this thread - a group of women that are pretty much alike will not accept into their group a female that is any way different....it&#39;s normal to an extent, I guess.

Even in the Americas, back in the very beginning of slavery, it wasn&#39;t common, but not unknown and historians do mention that things took a definite turn for the worse for African slaves (there was also a small minority of others) during the 1700s - for unknown reasons. I know the reason - more females in the colonies.
Women still, nowadays, underestimate their own power in society, and many still don&#39;t realize that they are the backbone of any society, they are the ones that really determine what is acceptable and what is not, they are still the ones with the most impact on their children and even their children&#39;s children sometimes...

I don&#39;t agree with this perception on mixed marriages in North America either...I see it completely different.

I&#39;m not trying to lead this thread off topic...so back to my point...seeking a diverse genetic pool is common in nature - for obvious reasons. I&#39;m researching some better links for what I mentioned above, but for now:

Miscegenation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_marriage)
South Africa info - mixed marriages (http://www.safrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/history/mixedmarriages-genealogy.htm)
Gene Pool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_pool)

KamaSutra
01-01-2006, 10:51 PM
I didn&#39;t know foxy brown was half asian, lol. What type of asian? Like, indian? Japanese? Chinese? Korean?

CatSuga
01-01-2006, 11:13 PM
I didn&#39;t know foxy brown was half asian, lol. What type of asian? Like, indian? Japanese? Chinese? Korean?
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South Asian, Filipino?

candy kisses
01-01-2006, 11:29 PM
LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.

CASCT
01-01-2006, 11:52 PM
No, because for the longest Whites Americans, (Whites period), avoided, and still do, marrying or coupling outside their race and we know the reason why. Those White guys might say Amerie is so "exotic" (I don&#39;t see it she looks Black) but the majority of them will not marry a person of African descent half or otherwise. If anything they&#39;ll marry Hispanic (the ones that supposedly look "White”) and that&#39;s were the majority of mixed marriages are coming from in America. Most people of other races marry their own also so it&#39;s not like interracial marriages or couplings are 50% of the population. Black and Asian couplings are the rarest so Blasians are not common.
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Can&#39;t agree... Personally, and I know I&#39;m going to get slammed for this, but I think the females are a big part of the problem...:D When europeans first built up their colonies (anywhere almost), there were many interracial marriages. It was even encouraged in order for them to build up their colonies - the problem always seemed to really start as soon as european women were also brought to the colonies to help build a society (have children, raise children...build a society) - they had no room for competition, or for anything they didn&#39;t understand and shut the doors of society on the women of other races and their offspring. This was really clear in South Africa...the first settlers there intermarried and had their own villages...along came the next wave of settlers, with women and history took it&#39;s course.

It is even obvious in the tone of some of the comments made in this thread - a group of women that are pretty much alike will not accept into their group a female that is any way different....it&#39;s normal to an extent, I guess.

Even in the Americas, back in the very beginning of slavery, it wasn&#39;t common, but not unknown and historians do mention that things took a definite turn for the worse for African slaves (there was also a small minority of others) during the 1700s - for unknown reasons. I know the reason - more females in the colonies.
Women still, nowadays, underestimate their own power in society, and many still don&#39;t realize that they are the backbone of any society, they are the ones that really determine what is acceptable and what is not, they are still the ones with the most impact on their children and even their children&#39;s children sometimes...

I don&#39;t agree with this perception on mixed marriages in North America either...I see it completely different.

I&#39;m not trying to lead this thread off topic...so back to my point...seeking a diverse genetic pool is common in nature - for obvious reasons. I&#39;m researching some better links for what I mentioned above, but for now:

Miscegenation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_marriage)
South Africa info - mixed marriages (http://www.safrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/history/mixedmarriages-genealogy.htm)
Gene Pool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_pool)
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I disagree. Yes seeking a different gene pool is common in nature, but just because people seek something different, doesn&#39;t mean that will choose it (Understand?). I have dated guys of other races before, but that doesn&#39;t mean I will marry someone who is in a different race. It&#39;s all about who the person is on the inside after the attraction to the person on the outside. I don&#39;t think most of the people here are not accepting mixed people, but they are saying that just because people mix, doesn&#39;t mean the offspring will have an exotic look or even look mixed for that matter. Ya know, most of those men who mixed in those days were already married to women in the mother country and were sent over to help build so when the wives came, they would have somewhere to raise children and start a society. The fact that they were not faithful to their wives started this whole mess, it wasn&#39;t all about color.

And as I recall, there were more white female abolitionist than there were male.

bittle511
01-01-2006, 11:57 PM
Foxy Brown??!!? I didn&#39;t know she was mixed?! Well, all of us are mixed to some degree..... but you know what I mean.

Bittle



I luvs me some Amerie! :wub:

But anyway.............are you offended when you hear people comment on how Black & [insert variable] make pretty babies?


I&#39;m at work watching some Amerie :wub: videos and drama erupted because the men in the lab (Black and White) all commented on how exotic she looks & how "mixing" makes pretty babies.

I remember drama erupting at college when my guy friends commented on how beautiful exotic mixed looking are. And for some reason all single raced White, Black, and Asian girls in the TV room took offense.

I&#39;ve never took offense from hearing these comments. :dunno:
As you can see from the image posted...some are very cute (like Amerie :wub: ) and some ain&#39;t.....uh...as cute as Amerie and are average.
Row 1: Black & Asian celebs
Misa Hylton-Brim, Kimora, Kelis, Amerie, Foxy Brown
Row 2: random googled Black & Asians
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9607/blasian3un.jpg
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CatSuga
01-02-2006, 12:43 AM
LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.
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And why is this a problem?

If you are mixed your&#39;re mixed and if people think you looked mixed you&#39;re probably mixed with something. Most of the people that commented about being asked what they are mixed with are African-American. So it&#39;s a fact that they some form of diverse ancestory.


ETA: I&#39;m not taking up for the pseudo-mixed confused Black population.
People say I look African so I&#39;m exotic anyway. :lol:

CASCT
01-02-2006, 12:51 AM
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LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.
[/b]


And why is this a problem?

If you are mixed your&#39;re mixed and if people think you looked mixed you&#39;re probably mixed with something. Most of the people that commented about being asked what they are mixed with are African-American. So it&#39;s a fact that they some form of diverse ancestory.


ETA: I&#39;m not taking up for the pseudo-mixed confused Black population.
People say I look African so I&#39;m exotic anyway. :lol:
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That was nicely put.

candy kisses
01-02-2006, 02:01 AM
<div class='quotemain'>
LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.
[/b]


And why is this a problem?

If you are mixed your&#39;re mixed and if people think you looked mixed you&#39;re probably mixed with something. Most of the people that commented about being asked what they are mixed with are African-American. So it&#39;s a fact that they some form of diverse ancestory.


ETA: I&#39;m not taking up for the pseudo-mixed confused Black population.
People say I look African so I&#39;m exotic anyway. :lol:
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Naw, I&#39;ve seen some of people&#39;s pics on here that claim to get those comments and they look straight up Negro.


Why is it a problem, you ask. . .Because it is. I don&#39;t get Black people. They look straight up Black but claim to look everything else. It might be believable if they looked like Christina Millian or Mya or something, but they don&#39;t.

CatSuga
01-02-2006, 02:13 AM
Naw, I&#39;ve seen some of people&#39;s pics on here that claim to get those comments and they look straight up Negro.
[/b]
:lol:

natural-forever
01-02-2006, 02:16 AM
No, because for the longest Whites Americans, (Whites period), avoided, and still do, marrying or coupling outside their race and we know the reason why. Those White guys might say Amerie is so "exotic" (I don&#39;t see it she looks Black) but the majority of them will not marry a person of African descent half or otherwise. If anything they&#39;ll marry Hispanic (the ones that supposedly look "White”) and that&#39;s were the majority of mixed marriages are coming from in America. Most people of other races marry their own also so it&#39;s not like interracial marriages or couplings are 50% of the population. Black and Asian couplings are the rarest so Blasians are not common.
[/b]


Can&#39;t agree... Personally, and I know I&#39;m going to get slammed for this, but I think the females are a big part of the problem...:D When europeans first built up their colonies (anywhere almost), there were many interracial marriages. It was even encouraged in order for them to build up their colonies - the problem always seemed to really start as soon as european women were also brought to the colonies to help build a society (have children, raise children...build a society) - they had no room for competition, or for anything they didn&#39;t understand and shut the doors of society on the women of other races and their offspring. This was really clear in South Africa...the first settlers there intermarried and had their own villages...along came the next wave of settlers, with women and history took it&#39;s course.

It is even obvious in the tone of some of the comments made in this thread - a group of women that are pretty much alike will not accept into their group a female that is any way different....it&#39;s normal to an extent, I guess.

Even in the Americas, back in the very beginning of slavery, it wasn&#39;t common, but not unknown and historians do mention that things took a definite turn for the worse for African slaves (there was also a small minority of others) during the 1700s - for unknown reasons. I know the reason - more females in the colonies.
Women still, nowadays, underestimate their own power in society, and many still don&#39;t realize that they are the backbone of any society, they are the ones that really determine what is acceptable and what is not, they are still the ones with the most impact on their children and even their children&#39;s children sometimes...

I don&#39;t agree with this perception on mixed marriages in North America either...I see it completely different.

I&#39;m not trying to lead this thread off topic...so back to my point...seeking a diverse genetic pool is common in nature - for obvious reasons. I&#39;m researching some better links for what I mentioned above, but for now:

Miscegenation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_marriage)
South Africa info - mixed marriages (http://www.safrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/history/mixedmarriages-genealogy.htm)
Gene Pool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_pool)
[/b]

Most marriages and couplings and offspring in America are not mixed race. I think mixed race half-Black people account for only 5 million of the population. Other mixed race people are higher because more Whites are marrying Hispanic Whites and to some degree Asians.

Population of the United States by Race and Hispanic/Latino Origin, Census 2000 and July 1, 2004 (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html)

I don’t believe my beliefs on mixed marriages are incorrect.

New Marriages, New Families: U.S. Racial and Hispanic Intermarriage (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3761/is_200506/ai_n14777516)


This Population Bulletin finds that:
* Racial intermarriage has increased from less than 1 percent of all married couples in 1970 to more than 5 percent of couples in 2000.
* The typical interracial couple is a white person with a nonwhite spouse. Intermarriage between two people from minority racial groups is relatively infrequent.
* Whites and blacks have the lowest intermarriage rates while American Indians, Hawaiians, and multiple-race people have the highest. Asians and people reporting some other race have intermediate intermarriage rates.
* Black men are more likely to intermarry than black women, while Asian women are more likely to intermarry than Asian men. Men and women from other racial groups are equally likely to intermarry.
* About one-fourth of Hispanic couples are inter-Hispanic, a rate that has been fairly stable since 1980.
* Younger and better-educated Americans are more likely to intermarry than older and less-educated Americans.
* U.S.-born Asians and Hispanics and foreign-born whites and blacks are more likely to intermarry than foreign-born Asians and Hispanics and U.S.-born whites and blacks.
* More children are growing up in either interracial or inter-Hispanic families. Between 1970 and 2000, the number of children living in interracial families increased nearly fourfold-from 900,000 to more than 3 million-while the number in inter-Hispanic families increased nearly threefold-from 800,000 to 2 million. [/b]

True, those men in earlier centuries did marry some indigenous women, although they mostly just fathered children, they had a strict racial hierarchy that put women who were closer to or European on top. Many times the only women that were around in those earlier centuries were native women so that&#39;s why there were mixed people. It doesn&#39;t mean that these women were treated as wives. To this day in those South American countries the ones that look more European are desired more and therefore considered more desirable to marry and have children by.

I also don&#39;t believe in that theory of people being attracted to mixed race people to further diversify the gene pool. If this were true more people would be marrying interracially because those couplings would have a greater degree of diversity than someone who is half what one potential mate is already. All this supposed mixing is not leading to a world with less racial discrimination either.

jaka81
01-02-2006, 02:23 AM
I remember Kim Whitely talking about this issue on "Oh Drama" on BET. She said that black people will claim ANYTHING but Black in their blood. She said something like people will say.. I am part indian, asian, PIGEON, and uh Black (stated last and shamefully). :huh:

I remember I was talking to this guy once and I asked him if he had any nieces or nephews. he says, "yeah I got three and the youngest is mixed with Puerto Rican and has curly hair." When I heard this I was so turned off... he was just so happy to claim that in his family... Self-Hatred runs deep and it&#39;s just so sad that so many are in denial of their true selves. This is why educating everyone about their history would make so many people feel proud for once in their lives...

Then we wouldn&#39;t have people like my cousin talking bout she would be so happy if she had light skin and "good hurr"... Like she wouldn&#39;t need money... clothes...light skin and that hair is all she need to be fulfilled... <_<

Soulista
01-02-2006, 03:23 AM
Natural forever:
Yeah, you&#39;re right of course, most marriages aren&#39;t mixed, they couldn&#39;t be. What I meant was, I don&#39;t think it has as much to do with race, and white men not wanting to marry outside of it as with culture, shared values, shared experiences, general commonalities...all I&#39;m trying to say, is that many things probably aren&#39;t as racist as we see them as being...nowadays.

Of course, I can say I know many examples personally, but who cares right? I also know many white men that would love to date black women, but are afraid they wouldn&#39;t be attractive to a black woman (and they are not &#39;geeks&#39;). But we all do, and yet we just accept this, ignore it, laugh it off and then move on to the ones that don&#39;t want to date black women and complain about that. I think there are men that don&#39;t for racist reasons, but I do think that they are slipping into the minority - I can&#39;t speak for the U.S. really, I guess - but if you say so, you&#39;re there, right?

As to the history bit, I think if these mixed societies had been left to develop (regardless of how they were started), things would have gone differently for race relations in all of them and then the world. If the idea was to have these children to build up a society, they most-likely would have been full-fledged citizens with all the rights etc. of the colonisers of the time, and been a full part of the society - more than they were anyways. And today, things would be different for all of us, either side of the Atlantic.

I also don&#39;t believe any race is absolutely pure, there&#39;s been too much wandering around for that, we&#39;re all mixed anyways...and considering all of us come from Africa anyways - there is no mixing going on, LOL.

jaka81:
That is so true... Go to Europe, and meet some of the Americans living there and you&#39;ll experience it. Nothing wrong with tracing your roots, it&#39;s the pretentiousness that annoys me, and then when they dump you even though all you&#39;re trying to do is to help them out, but they&#39;re too busy being suave and worldly, and you kind of tarnish their glow because they&#39;re not the only black person experiencing the european adventure, it kind of leaves a bitter taste.
And also what I noticed a lot when some Americans met other black people that weren&#39;t Americanized, and weren&#39;t Africans either, but just grew up in a different country, then there was something wrong with them. Obviously this happened to me, but also to many of my friends (some were blacks adopted by white families, some kids of american soldiers who went back to the states and the children were left behind with their German mothers, if they split up)...we were often viewed with the same eyes people look at poor little &#39;messed-up&#39; orphans, so we ended up fighting racism from both sides in a way. They never thought about leaving their mental box, and not being so judgemental, not for once... A good friend of mine keeps saying she is no sister to nobody and she hates America, and can&#39;t picture or see it as a positive place because of her experiences, and I just think it is sad that things have to be this way. We bonded much more with Africans, they have less of a &#39;black&#39; issue going on, over there anyways, don&#39;t know here, and pretty much accepted everybody into their circles.

I know, I am a little bitter, and this is such a generalization, but then again I saw it so many times...they were here today, and then gone the next. I remember how other blacks that were born and raised there warned me when I moved back there about Americans, how they treated other black people. I was like no, that can&#39;t be, especially when they&#39;re outside of America they all stick together. Yeah, right.
But - to be honest, of course there were also others who were just really down to earth and nice.
:)

Sorry about this long post.

BBeauty
01-02-2006, 01:02 PM
LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.
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I was thinking the same thing... :rolleyes:

MsCurly85
01-02-2006, 04:54 PM
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LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.
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And why is this a problem?

If you are mixed your&#39;re mixed and if people think you looked mixed you&#39;re probably mixed with something. Most of the people that commented about being asked what they are mixed with are African-American. So it&#39;s a fact that they some form of diverse ancestory.


ETA: I&#39;m not taking up for the pseudo-mixed confused Black population.
People say I look African so I&#39;m exotic anyway. :lol:
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Naw, I&#39;ve seen some of people&#39;s pics on here that claim to get those comments and they look straight up Negro.


Why is it a problem, you ask. . .Because it is. I don&#39;t get Black people. They look straight up Black but claim to look everything else. It might be believable if they looked like Christina Millian or Mya or something, but they don&#39;t.
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I can agree, I hate it when black people do this!- but I have to say that Anytime I say or put im 100 percent black(and i look all black), both white and black people are the first to tell me.. thats not true- "black people in this country are mixed". I seen and heard this many of times. Both in message boards and in person. I don&#39;t get it? Im sure this saying comes from some of the people who say that "black people claim anything but black" but will be the first to tell you "thats not true, your not 100 percent black"- I know im not the only one who notices this? and i hate it when people say mostly all black people are mixed it angers me :angry:

minamo2
01-02-2006, 05:11 PM
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Christina Milian&#39;s mother looks black to me.
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umm, how are you basing her mother&#39;s looks? is it the stereotypical look? sorry, I just had to ask.
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I think both of them look black. " Black" is varied in looks of course. They are Black cubans right? I didn&#39;t know black could be a stereotype.

JustAverage
01-02-2006, 05:30 PM
I just realized that I have never heard someone call themeselves a white indian or a white cuban and so on. Yet I always hear people put black in front of everything.


I can agree, I hate it when black people do this!- but I have to say that Anytime I say or put im 100 percent black(and i look all black), both white and black people are the first to tell me.. thats not true- "black people in this country are mixed". I seen and heard this many of times. Both in message boards and in person. I don&#39;t get it? Im sure this saying comes from some of the people who say that "black people claim anything but black" but will be the first to tell you "thats not true, your not 100 percent black"- I know im not the only one who notices this? and i hate it when people say mostly all black people are mixed it angers me [/b]

That annoys the heck out of me too. I hate the high cheekbone comment more than anything. My family members are ridiculous. They are so proud when they speak of my other family members because they are high yellow. My sister thinks she&#39;s biracial because she is 1/16 cherokee. It&#39;s ridiculous.

blackentropy
01-02-2006, 05:57 PM
I think alot of women on this thread have issues. Even the posters who even made claims that others ask or question their ethnicity, have stated that they are proud African-Americans and have stated that they are "black". Hell, alot of people have stated that they feel that certain physical features attributed to other races, (i.e. slanted eyes) are most likely the result of their black African heritage. I don&#39;t feel these people were trying to get a psychological boost out of being black and looking like something else. I think they were trying to give examples of how sometimes Asians and blacks share some of the same facial features. Which many of them do. Also, just because some people question someone&#39;s ethnicity, does not neccessarily mean that those in question will look "mixed". Different people have different opinions. I think some of you are making assumptions because subconsciously you believe that looking mixed is a good thing, and you project that idea on some of the posters. No one has said that looking Egyptain, half Chinese, Native American was a good thing or anything remotely similar. It doesn&#39;t make you more beautiful, more smarter, more attractive to those men who matter. People have been socialized to believe this and this is the whole point of this thread. I see alot of people who are pointing out the flaws of certain celebrities, trying to belittle their beauty. The problem is not that these people are not beautiful, it&#39;s that dark skinned black women and black women with African features are not being perceived as being beautiful. Although certain celebrities benefit from looking "less black", this is no fault of their own because they don&#39;t have that type of power. It&#39;s the system. And when people do this, it reminds of me of the racist whites and self-loathing blacks who will point out the flaws of the gorgeous dark skinned sistas just to be hateful and petty.

Yellow, brown, black, all colors in between, bi-racial, mono-racial, tri-racial, we are all beautiful.

ParisC
01-02-2006, 07:19 PM
I think alot of women on this thread have issues. Even the posters who even made claims that others ask or question their ethnicity, have stated that they are proud African-Americans and have stated that they are "black". Hell, alot of people have stated that they feel that certain physical features attributed to other races, (i.e. slanted eyes) are most likely the result of their black African heritage. I don&#39;t feel these people were trying to get a psychological boost out of being black and looking like something else. I think they were trying to give examples of how sometimes Asians and blacks share some of the same facial features. Which many of them do. Also, just because some people question someone&#39;s ethnicity, does not neccessarily mean that those in question will look "mixed". Different people have different opinions. I think some of you are making assumptions because subconsciously you believe that looking mixed is a good thing, and you project that idea on some of the posters. No one has said that looking Egyptain, half Chinese, Native American was a good thing or anything remotely similar. It doesn&#39;t make you more beautiful, more smarter, more attractive to those men who matter. People have been socialized to believe this and this is the whole point of this thread. I see alot of people who are pointing out the flaws of certain celebrities, trying to belittle their beauty. The problem is not that these people are not beautiful, it&#39;s that dark skinned black women and black women with African features are not being perceived as being beautiful. Although certain celebrities benefit from looking "less black", this is no fault of their own because they don&#39;t have that type of power. It&#39;s the system. And when people do this, it reminds of me of the racist whites and self-loathing blacks who will point out the flaws of the gorgeous dark skinned sistas just to be hateful and petty.

Yellow, brown, black, all colors in between, bi-racial, mono-racial, tri-racial, we are all beautiful.
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Thank you so much, you took the words right out of my mouth! I agree with you 100%.

Also, what is looking "mixed"? Not ALL bi and tri-racial people look "mixed". It&#39;s a stereotype to think you have to look like Christina Milian or Mya to be "mixed"....

I-LUV-IT
01-02-2006, 08:01 PM
I am totally with you blackentropy and ParisC! :)

pacunurse30
01-02-2006, 08:38 PM
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I get annoyed with the whole "mixed kids are sooo beautiful" ideology because it focuses on external beauty, which we have FAR too much focus on in our society. As a mother of bicultural/biracial children, I honestly do NOT like when folks say things relating to my children&#39;s beauty *because* they are "mixed". :angry: I want my girls to feel they are beautiful because they are made by God, not because of some notion of exoticism placed by our superficial society on looks. I want them to focus on what&#39;s in their heads rather than looks -- something they had nothing to do with.

Besides, when we buy into believing biracial/cultural folks (who have a Black parent) are more beautiful because they are "mixed", we are buying into the myth that Black folks aren&#39;t beautiful as-is. Like we&#39;ve gotta be mixed with something before society can call us beautiful. Shoot, if you are beautiful, you are beautiful, regardless of whatever culture you come from.
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The part in bold is especially true. Don&#39;t yall get a kick out of when you see reviews on black models and stuff they want to claim every single ethnicity in the world except anything to do with their "blackness"?

I am the mother of a biracial little boy and it gets really really old. My daughter is not mixed and I hate it when people just act like she isn&#39;t even there and dote all over my son and yes I do call them out on it (loud enough so no one else will try that bs neither). It&#39;s rude, narrow-minded and insensitive. The sad thing is they don&#39;t even realize it&#39;s a problem :rolleyes:.
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Wow Tempest that is awful - as if we haven&#39;t had to deal with this enough just being black in a predominately white world! Reminds me of the artical that Diana Ross oldest child wrote for Essence on how growing up with two biracial sisters made her feel invisible because people would ignore her.
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I&#39;m sorry, but Diana Ross&#39; children are NOT attractive at all. The youngest boys are okay, but Traci Ellis is not pretty in the least. Her oldest daughter is actually not bad looking IMO. I think she has locks too.

pacunurse30
01-02-2006, 09:04 PM
I remember Kim Whitely talking about this issue on "Oh Drama" on BET. She said that black people will claim ANYTHING but Black in their blood. She said something like people will say.. I am part indian, asian, PIGEON, and uh Black (stated last and shamefully). :huh:

I remember I was talking to this guy once and I asked him if he had any nieces or nephews. he says, "yeah I got three and the youngest is mixed with Puerto Rican and has curly hair." When I heard this I was so turned off... he was just so happy to claim that in his family... Self-Hatred runs deep and it&#39;s just so sad that so many are in denial of their true selves. This is why educating everyone about their history would make so many people feel proud for once in their lives...

Then we wouldn&#39;t have people like my cousin talking bout she would be so happy if she had light skin and "good hurr"... Like she wouldn&#39;t need money... clothes...light skin and that hair is all she need to be fulfilled... <_<
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This annoys the HELL out of me!!! I think this is the most pitiful thing to hear. My sister has this same issue, and it really makes me mad sometimes. She claims to be Spanish, or at least 1/2 Spanish. The thing is, our mother, while she was light skinned with slightly looser hair, was still a Black woman and considered herself as such! She basically looked like a regular light-skinned Black woman!! I understand all that stuff about 90% of African Americans having non-White ancestry. The fact is, genetically, we are primarily African! There may be slight differences with some Black people because of the degree of mixture, but for the most part we carry African traits more than we carry the White/Native/Spanish/Asian traits. To be honest, I am more interested in my African ancestry than I am any other. This is only because I am obviously mostly African. I know that my closest African ancestors are from Ghana, so I would love to visit there someday and possibly find some distant relatives. Funny enough, I resemble a lot of people from Ghana.

candy kisses
01-02-2006, 11:19 PM
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I think alot of women on this thread have issues. Even the posters who even made claims that others ask or question their ethnicity, have stated that they are proud African-Americans and have stated that they are "black". Hell, alot of people have stated that they feel that certain physical features attributed to other races, (i.e. slanted eyes) are most likely the result of their black African heritage. I don&#39;t feel these people were trying to get a psychological boost out of being black and looking like something else. I think they were trying to give examples of how sometimes Asians and blacks share some of the same facial features. Which many of them do. Also, just because some people question someone&#39;s ethnicity, does not neccessarily mean that those in question will look "mixed". Different people have different opinions. I think some of you are making assumptions because subconsciously you believe that looking mixed is a good thing, and you project that idea on some of the posters. No one has said that looking Egyptain, half Chinese, Native American was a good thing or anything remotely similar. It doesn&#39;t make you more beautiful, more smarter, more attractive to those men who matter. People have been socialized to believe this and this is the whole point of this thread. I see alot of people who are pointing out the flaws of certain celebrities, trying to belittle their beauty. The problem is not that these people are not beautiful, it&#39;s that dark skinned black women and black women with African features are not being perceived as being beautiful. Although certain celebrities benefit from looking "less black", this is no fault of their own because they don&#39;t have that type of power. It&#39;s the system. And when people do this, it reminds of me of the racist whites and self-loathing blacks who will point out the flaws of the gorgeous dark skinned sistas just to be hateful and petty.

Yellow, brown, black, all colors in between, bi-racial, mono-racial, tri-racial, we are all beautiful.
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Thank you so much, you took the words right out of my mouth! I agree with you 100%.

Also, what is looking "mixed"? Not ALL bi and tri-racial people look "mixed". It&#39;s a stereotype to think you have to look like Christina Milian or Mya to be "mixed"....
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Yeah, and many Black people in this thread have made that very comment and they contradict themselves. They say that not all biracial or multiracial people look mixed, yet they say they&#39;re Black and proud but people always question their look and ask them what they are mixed with because they look mixed. If biracial children don&#39;t look mixed, they know they, as Black people DO NOT look mixed in any shape, form, or fashion. I&#39;ve seen the pics. You-look-straight-up-Negro. The sad part about most Black people is that they lie about being mixed. The lie is so obvious that a lot of times I feel bad for calling the person out on it. They already know they&#39;re lying, they know that I know that they are lying, so it&#39;s like what is the point. Sometimes I just can&#39;t help myself though and I embarrass them in front of everybody.

As far as Black people claiming that we&#39;re all mixed--they just say that to justify their self hatred. White people are all mixed up, more so than us, yet they just go with the flow and accept their dominant race. Also, Black people are not as mixed as they claim. Their great great great grandfather on their mom&#39;s side might have been Indian, but when you combine all the branches from the paternal and maternal sides, the Black is so overwhelming that it cancels everything out. They are Black, plain and simple.

Malcolm X was legitimately 1/4 White, and he didn&#39;t advertise it. (love you Malcolm) :wub:

Last but not least, when will Black people learn that when somebody is mixed that person does not have to broadcast it to the world, it is obvious. The liars are always the ones to broadcast being &#39;mixed&#39;.

candy kisses
01-02-2006, 11:32 PM
I think alot of women on this thread have issues. Even the posters who even made claims that others ask or question their ethnicity, have stated that they are proud African-Americans and have stated that they are "black". Hell, alot of people have stated that they feel that certain physical features attributed to other races, (i.e. slanted eyes) are most likely the result of their black African heritage. I don&#39;t feel these people were trying to get a psychological boost out of being black and looking like something else. I think they were trying to give examples of how sometimes Asians and blacks share some of the same facial features. Which many of them do. Also, just because some people question someone&#39;s ethnicity, does not neccessarily mean that those in question will look "mixed". Different people have different opinions. I think some of you are making assumptions because subconsciously you believe that looking mixed is a good thing, and you project that idea on some of the posters. No one has said that looking Egyptain, half Chinese, Native American was a good thing or anything remotely similar. It doesn&#39;t make you more beautiful, more smarter, more attractive to those men who matter. People have been socialized to believe this and this is the whole point of this thread. I see alot of people who are pointing out the flaws of certain celebrities, trying to belittle their beauty. The problem is not that these people are not beautiful, it&#39;s that dark skinned black women and black women with African features are not being perceived as being beautiful. Although certain celebrities benefit from looking "less black", this is no fault of their own because they don&#39;t have that type of power. It&#39;s the system. And when people do this, it reminds of me of the racist whites and self-loathing blacks who will point out the flaws of the gorgeous dark skinned sistas just to be hateful and petty.

Yellow, brown, black, all colors in between, bi-racial, mono-racial, tri-racial, we are all beautiful.
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Black people are screwed up about skin color. I thank God that my parents didn&#39;t teach me to be color struck. I was oblivious to the color problem among Blacks until I got older. I went to an all white pre-school and elementary school. My Mom was a 1st grade teacher at my elementary school so even though I was out of district I went to school with her everyday. I went to that school from kindergarten to 6th grade. When I first started going to school with Black people in 7th grade--that&#39;s when I realized how much of an issue skin color and exotic features were. I was still a bit confused because I was young. By highschool, I knew that the issue was so heavy among Blacks that I often wondered, and still wonder, how many Black people can be happy carrying that chip on their shoulder. What&#39;s funny is, a lot of white people are oblivious to skin color to an extent. They see Black people as being Black. They only notice dark or light if it&#39;s extreme, a la Mariah Carey and Whoopi Goldberg. Even then the difference isn&#39;t such a huge issue, only curiousity will come into play. White people always compliment my nappy hair and my color never comes up in discussion nor do they ever make color struck comments, not out of fear of what I&#39;ll think but they truly are oblivious to it. Then you have Black people who are totally obsessed, when the &#39;superior&#39; race doesn&#39;t give an ish about it anymore. The white people that do care about color, care about it because they know Black people care about it and they (whites) can still use skin as a means to control Blacks.

caraqueen
01-02-2006, 11:54 PM
No one has said that looking Egyptain, half Chinese, Native American was a good thing or anything remotely similar. It doesn&#39;t make you more beautiful, more smarter, more attractive to those men who matter. People have been socialized to believe this and this is the whole point of this thread. I see alot of people who are pointing out the flaws of certain celebrities, trying to belittle their beauty. The problem is not that these people are not beautiful, it&#39;s that dark skinned black women and black women with African features are not being perceived as being beautiful. Although certain celebrities benefit from looking "less black", this is no fault of their own because they don&#39;t have that type of power. It&#39;s the system. And when people do this, it reminds of me of the racist whites and self-loathing blacks who will point out the flaws of the gorgeous dark skinned sistas just to be hateful and petty.

Yellow, brown, black, all colors in between, bi-racial, mono-racial, tri-racial, we are all beautiful.
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Some Great Points, blackentropy.

CASCT
01-02-2006, 11:57 PM
I think this thread is getting off topic. People are accusing people of being haters and what not, but that isn&#39;t what this thread is about. It&#39;s about do two people of a different race make pretty babies. People are accusing others of hating on mixed people, well let me just say this, it takes a hater to know a hater, OK? Obviously this thread would have never came up if this wasn&#39;t an issue, so I think people just need to calm down and take a breather. This is why African Americans won&#39;t succeed the way we want. It&#39;s because we are always at each others throats with this "hater" mess. Hate, hate, hate. That&#39;s the number one thing that comes out of black folks mouths these days. Did it ever occur to you that just because people have different opinions doesn&#39;t mean they are hating all the time. Good grief. Everyone is so quick to point at someone else and say, "Well you have issues", but 9 times out of 10 those people who are saying that have the very same issues, too. So folks. Calm down and stop this petty arguing like a bunch of kids. People have stated their opinion on this subject and that&#39;s that.

Also, I hear a lot of, "Well, those who say they were asked if they are mixed, but say they are proud of being black just WISH they were mixed". How do you know? You&#39;re not in their minds, in their heads. Have you met them personally in your lifetime? Maybe they are dark, but have different features not ususally associated with black people. OK, I&#39;m done on this topic, because I think it&#39;s getting a little ridiculous.

caraqueen
01-03-2006, 12:09 AM
I think this was a good discussion, actually. The point of this thread was to explore the motivations of some people making the comment that the title states, some opinions differ of course everybody has their own idea of what "beauty" is. I have actually learned alot from this thread and learn something new everyday. It has caused me to examine how I percieve race and I have gained more understanding. I agree that it should not be based on something as ridiculous as percieved racial characteristics. I should hope we could go beyond such things as what race someone is or is not, or what shade of skin color, or hair texture this person has to determine "beauty" that is short sighted IMO. That point was made more than once I believe. I think it is evident, that the hierarchial "system" we live in has unfairly maligned many people because of this "exaltation" of all that appears European and degradation of all that appears African. That is an issue that needs to be addressed.

CASCT
01-03-2006, 12:23 AM
I totally agree with you caragreen. I think this was good discussion and I have learned some things as well.

blackentropy
01-03-2006, 12:32 AM
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I think alot of women on this thread have issues. Even the posters who even made claims that others ask or question their ethnicity, have stated that they are proud African-Americans and have stated that they are "black". Hell, alot of people have stated that they feel that certain physical features attributed to other races, (i.e. slanted eyes) are most likely the result of their black African heritage. I don&#39;t feel these people were trying to get a psychological boost out of being black and looking like something else. I think they were trying to give examples of how sometimes Asians and blacks share some of the same facial features. Which many of them do. Also, just because some people question someone&#39;s ethnicity, does not neccessarily mean that those in question will look "mixed". Different people have different opinions. I think some of you are making assumptions because subconsciously you believe that looking mixed is a good thing, and you project that idea on some of the posters. No one has said that looking Egyptain, half Chinese, Native American was a good thing or anything remotely similar. It doesn&#39;t make you more beautiful, more smarter, more attractive to those men who matter. People have been socialized to believe this and this is the whole point of this thread. I see alot of people who are pointing out the flaws of certain celebrities, trying to belittle their beauty. The problem is not that these people are not beautiful, it&#39;s that dark skinned black women and black women with African features are not being perceived as being beautiful. Although certain celebrities benefit from looking "less black", this is no fault of their own because they don&#39;t have that type of power. It&#39;s the system. And when people do this, it reminds of me of the racist whites and self-loathing blacks who will point out the flaws of the gorgeous dark skinned sistas just to be hateful and petty.

Yellow, brown, black, all colors in between, bi-racial, mono-racial, tri-racial, we are all beautiful.
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Black people are screwed up about skin color. I thank God that my parents didn&#39;t teach me to be color struck. I was oblivious to the color problem among Blacks until I got older. I went to an all white pre-school and elementary school. My Mom was a 1st grade teacher at my elementary school so even though I was out of district I went to school with her everyday. I went to that school from kindergarten to 6th grade. When I first started going to school with Black people in 7th grade--that&#39;s when I realized how much of an issue skin color and exotic features were. I was still a bit confused because I was young. By highschool, I knew that the issue was so heavy among Blacks that I often wondered, and still wonder, how many Black people can be happy carrying that chip on their shoulder. What&#39;s funny is, a lot of white people are oblivious to skin color to an extent. They see Black people as being Black. They only notice dark or light if it&#39;s extreme, a la Mariah Carey and Whoopi Goldberg. Even then the difference isn&#39;t such a huge issue, only curiousity will come into play. White people always compliment my nappy hair and my color never comes up in discussion nor do they ever make color struck comments, not out of fear of what I&#39;ll think but they truly are oblivious to it. Then you have Black people who are totally obsessed, when the &#39;superior&#39; race doesn&#39;t give an ish about it anymore. The white people that do care about color, care about it because they know Black people care about it and they (whites) can still use skin as a means to control Blacks.
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I think alot of people exaggerate distant "other" ancestry or claim "non-existent" ancestry because they don&#39;t want to be black anymore and by being of "mixed ancestry" they feel that they at least have an option of escaping or diluting the reality of their blackness. I don&#39;t think it is because they hate being black, but they hate the negativity that goes along with being black and African looking. I think black children intitially have high self esteem, and as they become more in touch with their surroundings and society, they start to loose that self-esteem because they begin to realize that as a black person who looks african, they are not valued members of the black community or society at large. They don&#39;t want to feel the hurt and rejection from their own people anymore, so they resort to multitation, adopting certain ideas, not only to appear more appealing to whites, but more appealing to their own people. And of course this desire to be something they will never be only leads to mental illness down the road. And that mental illness keeps many billion dollar industries running.

When I hear people say that mixed babies are pretty or yada yada yada, I laugh because I know that "black" people make pretty babies too. It doesn&#39;t matter whether these people believe this or not, but I can look all around me and see that this is true. Racism and colorism are psychological tools that are used to make black people feel inferior. They are used to manipulate some "bi-racial" people into thinking they are superior to black people by virtue of their diluted black heritage, and this creates jealously, hatred, and division among the black community. I&#39;m not going to buy into it. Sometimes, people say stupid crap just to make you feel bad or piss you off. You shouldn&#39;t let them.

Okay... I&#39;ve talked to much...

Exotic Natural
01-03-2006, 12:36 AM
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I think alot of women on this thread have issues. Even the posters who even made claims that others ask or question their ethnicity, have stated that they are proud African-Americans and have stated that they are "black". Hell, alot of people have stated that they feel that certain physical features attributed to other races, (i.e. slanted eyes) are most likely the result of their black African heritage. I don&#39;t feel these people were trying to get a psychological boost out of being black and looking like something else. I think they were trying to give examples of how sometimes Asians and blacks share some of the same facial features. Which many of them do. Also, just because some people question someone&#39;s ethnicity, does not neccessarily mean that those in question will look "mixed". Different people have different opinions. I think some of you are making assumptions because subconsciously you believe that looking mixed is a good thing, and you project that idea on some of the posters. No one has said that looking Egyptain, half Chinese, Native American was a good thing or anything remotely similar. It doesn&#39;t make you more beautiful, more smarter, more attractive to those men who matter. People have been socialized to believe this and this is the whole point of this thread. I see alot of people who are pointing out the flaws of certain celebrities, trying to belittle their beauty. The problem is not that these people are not beautiful, it&#39;s that dark skinned black women and black women with African features are not being perceived as being beautiful. Although certain celebrities benefit from looking "less black", this is no fault of their own because they don&#39;t have that type of power. It&#39;s the system. And when people do this, it reminds of me of the racist whites and self-loathing blacks who will point out the flaws of the gorgeous dark skinned sistas just to be hateful and petty.

Yellow, brown, black, all colors in between, bi-racial, mono-racial, tri-racial, we are all beautiful.
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Thank you so much, you took the words right out of my mouth! I agree with you 100%.

Also, what is looking "mixed"? Not ALL bi and tri-racial people look "mixed". It&#39;s a stereotype to think you have to look like Christina Milian or Mya to be "mixed"....
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exactly i do agree, not all "mixed" or "biracial" kids are light skinned

blackentropy
01-03-2006, 01:00 AM
:lol: I sense some hostility brewing here.

I&#39;m through with this topic.

Sorry I offended anyone with my "Alot of women have issues" comment.

RecoveredPermie
01-03-2006, 01:28 AM
I am the wife to a "blasian" husband and a mom to a "blasain" daughter. In my opinion, I do believe that inter-racial couples make pretty babies. (See my fotki for my daughter :icon_heartpump: and husband&#39;s pics :wub: ) Some may say neither one of them are cute; do I care? NO. It&#39;s a matter of personel opinion. and I think my husband is in the top 3 of men that I know that I really find attractive. (I guess that&#39;s partially why I married him :blush: ) What YOU think or find is attractive, just like almost everything else that you have to make choices on in life, are opinionated.

Does that mean I think that non-mixed couples make ugly babies, NO! Hell, my whole family is black and I know I&#39;m the bomb! :lol: LOL

natural-forever
01-03-2006, 02:43 AM
A little off topic, but I used to not know Mya was mixed and I do not consider her light-skinned. I always assumed she was Black American because she looked like a Black girl to me. I believe Christina Milan is just a Hispanic Black just like maryjane girl aka jazzijenni81. Really, most of these mixed folk just look like Black folk to me and I didn&#39;t even know they were mixed until seeing information on them. I just see Black folk unless they look obviously mixed like Mariah Carey, Justin Guarini, or Kimora.

BBeauty
01-03-2006, 07:56 PM
That annoys the heck out of me too. I hate the high cheekbone comment more than anything. My family members are ridiculous. They are so proud when they speak of my other family members because they are high yellow. My sister thinks she&#39;s biracial because she is 1/16 cherokee. It&#39;s ridiculous.
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LMAO. I find that so funny. WHY do people even KNOW this? I remember I was on another site a few years ago and a Black girl claimed to be mixed race on her profile because she was 1/8 Chinese. WHY/HOW do people know this???

babygirl76
01-03-2006, 08:07 PM
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LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.
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And why is this a problem?

If you are mixed your&#39;re mixed and if people think you looked mixed you&#39;re probably mixed with something. Most of the people that commented about being asked what they are mixed with are African-American. So it&#39;s a fact that they some form of diverse ancestory.


ETA: I&#39;m not taking up for the pseudo-mixed confused Black population.
People say I look African so I&#39;m exotic anyway. :lol:
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Naw, I&#39;ve seen some of people&#39;s pics on here that claim to get those comments and they look straight up Negro.


Why is it a problem, you ask. . .Because it is. I don&#39;t get Black people. They look straight up Black but claim to look everything else. It might be believable if they looked like Christina Millian or Mya or something, but they don&#39;t.
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I have no problem stating that I&#39;m black because that&#39;s exactly what I am ( I am black 365/7). I don&#39;t have ne pics and note that I didn&#39;t state that I look mixed but if you&#39;d like me to post a pic I surely will. My original comment is that people have always approached me and asked me if I am. So just shoot me for posting what has been said to me.
I have no problem knowing who I am and knowing who/where I came from (BTW, I attend my family reunion every year on Blue Springs Plantation in Albany, Georgia; some of my family still live there and own farms). I can and will even go on to tell you that my paternal grandfather was a sharecropper. So yes I do know my history; the African and other. Have a nice day.

JustAverage
01-03-2006, 08:13 PM
Apparently my grandmother&#39;s grandmother is 1/16 Cherokee.

Mae
01-03-2006, 08:25 PM
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That annoys the heck out of me too. I hate the high cheekbone comment more than anything. My family members are ridiculous. They are so proud when they speak of my other family members because they are high yellow. My sister thinks she&#39;s biracial because she is 1/16 cherokee. It&#39;s ridiculous.
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LMAO. I find that so funny. WHY do people even KNOW this? I remember I was on another site a few years ago and a Black girl claimed to be mixed race on her profile because she was 1/8 Chinese. WHY/HOW do people know this???
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I am 1/8 Creek cause one of my greatgrandparents was a Creek Indian. It is really not that hard to figure out if you know your family history. My question is why do people have problems with folk that know their family history and speak up on it?

Now I will add to the list of posters who have been mistaken as something other than African-American....I have been asked so many people where I was from....Latinos, Africans, African Americans, Asians....I tell them I am from Detroit and they don&#39;t believe it....they say " you don&#39;t look like most African Americans", or " You have an accent ( I don&#39;t btw)"....I have high cheekbones, but I don&#39;t know if that is the Indian in me or the African in me, or if that is what they are looking at....I attribute it mostly to the fact that I, like you all ( I assume) are napptural, which IS exotic and different than the average Black girl in Detriot, who is weaved and p.ermed out.....

JustAverage
01-03-2006, 09:29 PM
Dang I Just realized I made a mistake. My grandmother&#39;s grandmother is full-blooded cherokee. Why can&#39;t we edit out the mistakes if we come back later. Is this a setting that I can change?

ParisC
01-03-2006, 09:54 PM
Yeah, and many Black people in this thread have made that very comment and they contradict themselves. They say that not all biracial or multiracial people look mixed, yet they say they&#39;re Black and proud but people always question their look and ask them what they are mixed with because they look mixed. If biracial children don&#39;t look mixed, they know they, as Black people DO NOT look mixed in any shape, form, or fashion. I&#39;ve seen the pics. You-look-straight-up-Negro. The sad part about most Black people is that they lie about being mixed. The lie is so obvious that a lot of times I feel bad for calling the person out on it. They already know they&#39;re lying, they know that I know that they are lying, so it&#39;s like what is the point. Sometimes I just can&#39;t help myself though and I embarrass them in front of everybody.

As far as Black people claiming that we&#39;re all mixed--they just say that to justify their self hatred. White people are all mixed up, more so than us, yet they just go with the flow and accept their dominant race. Also, Black people are not as mixed as they claim. Their great great great grandfather on their mom&#39;s side might have been Indian, but when you combine all the branches from the paternal and maternal sides, the Black is so overwhelming that it cancels everything out. They are Black, plain and simple.

Malcolm X was legitimately 1/4 White, and he didn&#39;t advertise it. (love you Malcolm) :wub:

Last but not least, when will Black people learn that when somebody is mixed that person does not have to broadcast it to the world, it is obvious. The liars are always the ones to broadcast being &#39;mixed&#39;.
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Is the statement bolded a general statement? Or you accidently mistaken me for somebody else? Just wondering.

swingbolder
01-03-2006, 09:59 PM
[/quote]WHY/HOW do people know this???[quote]

I know about some of my ancestry bc my great-grandfather was Seminole Indian and my great-grandmother was Irish American, on my dad and mom&#39;s side, respectively.

I never bothered to figure out "my" percentages. I consider myself a black American who has some Irish and Indian in my family background.

lsubabiedee
01-03-2006, 10:22 PM
I don&#39;t find it offensive. :dunno:

I think that mixes do make pretty babies.

The problem is when people make the assumption that mixes make prettier babies. Sometimes it&#39;s the person who said it that makes that assumption, and sometimes it&#39;s the listener.
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yeah, i agree....

BBeauty
01-03-2006, 10:45 PM
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I doubt people have an issue with those who know and speak about their family history...but I personally think it is a bit pointless for someone to be telling me they are mixed race because they are 1/16 chinese or whatever-I find it clutching at straws. By all means be proud of what eventually made you, you...but please people need to stop touting this around as if it somehow makes them a &#39;&#39;special Black person&#39;&#39;.

I dont have an issue with people who know their heritage. I dont know all of mine and to be honest I am not TOO bothered...because at the end of the day I am BLACK. But for some finding out they have a non-black person in their lineage somewhere is like finding gold.

I edited my previous post earlier but for some reason it didnt show. Anyway the edit (if I remember correctly) said: to those who are comparing the attitudes of whites to the attitudes of Blacks towards light skinned black people and mixed race people-you CANNOT compare the two.

WE are the ones whose mind has been enslaved, therefore it will take a lot longer for Black people to overcome this. A rapist is probably less likely to dwell or get over the event, than the rapee.

Furthermore if you just look to the media you can see that white people&#39;s/mainstream fascination with lightskinned or mixed race people is far from over. Over here we are lucky to see a Black woman on a TV programme (dont even let me start on adverts)...usually a mixed race woman is portrayed as a Black woman. Over here WE dont control any TV stations or any media for that matter-so we are not the ones driving the market.

Same for the Beyonce phenomenon. Three talented ladies but one gets picked to &#39;lead&#39; to appeal to the masses...why does she appeal to the masses? Dont get me wrong, she does it well..but if it wasnt an issue amongst mainstream/white people who is to say Kelly would not have been picked (Michelle doesnt have much stage presence imo so I&#39;m not sure she would have been picked anyways).

Exotic Natural
01-03-2006, 10:48 PM
hmmmmmmm my dad is bajan my mom is cuban but i dont feel the need to prove that i am mixed who cares one drop of black blood and your black baby :)

candy kisses
01-03-2006, 11:01 PM
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That annoys the heck out of me too. I hate the high cheekbone comment more than anything. My family members are ridiculous. They are so proud when they speak of my other family members because they are high yellow. My sister thinks she&#39;s biracial because she is 1/16 cherokee. It&#39;s ridiculous.
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LMAO. I find that so funny. WHY do people even KNOW this? I remember I was on another site a few years ago and a Black girl claimed to be mixed race on her profile because she was 1/8 Chinese. WHY/HOW do people know this???
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I am 1/8 Creek cause one of my greatgrandparents was a Creek Indian. It is really not that hard to figure out if you know your family history. My question is why do people have problems with folk that know their family history and speak up on it?

Now I will add to the list of posters who have been mistaken as something other than African-American....I have been asked so many people where I was from....Latinos, Africans, African Americans, Asians....I tell them I am from Detroit and they don&#39;t believe it....they say " you don&#39;t look like most African Americans", or " You have an accent ( I don&#39;t btw)"....I have high cheekbones, but I don&#39;t know if that is the Indian in me or the African in me, or if that is what they are looking at....I attribute it mostly to the fact that I, like you all ( I assume) are napptural, which IS exotic and different than the average Black girl in Detriot, who is weaved and p.ermed out.....
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1/8 isn&#39;t much to speak of. You&#39;re Black. Bringing up your racial history occassionally for the sake of history is ok. But Black people dwell on it, trying to convince themselves more so than us just as you&#39;re doing. What makes it even more sickening is that white people are all mixed up and don&#39;t dwell on it. In all honesty nobody really cares if you&#39;re 1/8 or not, you&#39;re Black. I&#39;m not picking on you personally but proving a point.



[/b]WHY/HOW do people know this???


I know about some of my ancestry bc my great-grandfather was Seminole Indian and my great-grandmother was Irish American, on my dad and mom&#39;s side, respectively.

I never bothered to figure out "my" percentages. I consider myself a black American who has some Irish and Indian in my family background.
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I consider you to be just a Black American.



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LOL, Black people are hilarious. What&#39;s funny about this thread is, most people responded with &#39;oh yeah people always ask me what i&#39;m mixed with&#39;. . . It basically enforces the logic of Black people wanting to look exotic. See what I&#39;m saying? Even in a thread where we&#39;re discussing the twisted mentality of Black people who claim they&#39;re &#39;mixed&#39;,---the same thing is going on in this thread, it&#39;s just stated differently.
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I was thinking the same thing... :rolleyes:
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You noticed it too? What&#39;s sad is that it&#39;s continuing.

I forgot to add, one of my closest friends is Nigerian. He&#39;s said some pretty rude things about Black Americans that we&#39;ve argued over. He has shared with me the negative opinions that many Nigerians have of African Americans and how some of them (Nigerians) tend to look down on us. One reason, is because how African Americans broadcast their supposed &#39;mixture&#39;. When he told me that they held that against us, so to speak, I couldn&#39;t even fight him on it for I know it&#39;s true.

BBeauty
01-03-2006, 11:20 PM
I forgot to add, one of my closest friends is Nigerian. He&#39;s said some pretty rude things about Black Americans that we&#39;ve argued over. He has shared with me the negative opinions that many Nigerians have of African Americans and how some of them (Nigerians) tend to look down on us. One reason, is because how African Americans broadcast their supposed &#39;mixture&#39;. When he told me that they held that against us, so to speak, I couldn&#39;t even fight him on it for I know it&#39;s true.
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Some Black Britons have an issue with AA&#39;s because of that as well...Though you will find Black people do that rubbish over here too.

Mae
01-03-2006, 11:35 PM
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That annoys the heck out of me too. I hate the high cheekbone comment more than anything. My family members are ridiculous. They are so proud when they speak of my other family members because they are high yellow. My sister thinks she&#39;s biracial because she is 1/16 cherokee. It&#39;s ridiculous.
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LMAO. I find that so funny. WHY do people even KNOW this? I remember I was on another site a few years ago and a Black girl claimed to be mixed race on her profile because she was 1/8 Chinese. WHY/HOW do people know this???
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I am 1/8 Creek cause one of my greatgrandparents was a Creek Indian. It is really not that hard to figure out if you know your family history. My question is why do people have problems with folk that know their family history and speak up on it?

Now I will add to the list of posters who have been mistaken as something other than African-American....I have been asked so many people where I was from....Latinos, Africans, African Americans, Asians....I tell them I am from Detroit and they don&#39;t believe it....they say " you don&#39;t look like most African Americans", or " You have an accent ( I don&#39;t btw)"....I have high cheekbones, but I don&#39;t know if that is the Indian in me or the African in me, or if that is what they are looking at....I attribute it mostly to the fact that I, like you all ( I assume) are napptural, which IS exotic and different than the average Black girl in Detriot, who is weaved and p.ermed out.....
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1/8 isn&#39;t much to speak of. You&#39;re Black. Bringing up your racial history occassionally for the sake of history is ok. But Black people dwell on it, trying to convince themselves more so than us just as you&#39;re doing. What makes it even more sickening is that white people are all mixed up and don&#39;t dwell on it. In all honesty nobody really cares if you&#39;re 1/8 or not, you&#39;re Black. I&#39;m not picking on you personally but proving a point.



[/b]WHY/HOW do people know this???


I know about some of my ancestry bc my great-grandfather was Seminole Indian and my great-grandmother was Irish American, on my dad and mom&#39;s side, respectively.

I never bothered to figure out "my" percentages. I consider myself a black American who has some Irish and Indian in my family background.
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I consider you to be just a Black American.


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Thank you for letting me know that my greatgrandaddy "Beet" as he was called, is not significant enough to be recognized when I honor my ancestors (which I have done in various ways for many years; and "African" tradition mind you)....your classification of who and what other people are really helps to clarify the matter :rolleyes:

But honestly....I am not seeking acceptance or validation for who I am and who my ancestors are, I am just stating facts about lineage....I happen to think lineage is very important, and folks shouldn&#39;t be ashamed or de*****ted if they admit that they know of their ancestors....for many of us it is easier to find out what Native American and European ancestry we have than to determine what African group our ancestors are from....some of us (i.e. me) DO take it seriously, so in "proving" your point, you were offensive....I respect your opinion; it just doesn&#39;t make it my reality.....

BBeauty
01-03-2006, 11:41 PM
hmmmmmmm my dad is bajan my mom is cuban but i dont feel the need to prove that i am mixed who cares one drop of black blood and your black baby :)
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There are Black people in Cuba....Im confused :huh: :(

swingbolder
01-03-2006, 11:42 PM
I consider you to be just a Black American.[/b]

I consider myself to be "just" a black American as well. Culturally black, raised by black parents, married to a black man, mother to a black child.

But like most black Americans, I have some other type of blood in my background, hence the huge range of our skin colors. It&#39;s not something I&#39;m proud of or ashamed of, not something I try to deny or play up; it&#39;s just a fact. . I don&#39;t consider myself "mixed" or anything just bc I have some Irish or Indian blood from way back in the day but at the same time it does make me quintessentially black American.

It&#39;s just a part of our history.

sannie
01-03-2006, 11:59 PM
Thank you for letting me know that my greatgrandaddy "Beet" as he was called, is not significant enough to be recognized when I honor my ancestors (which I have done in various ways for many years; and "African" tradition mind you)....your classification of who and what other people are really helps to clarify the matter :rolleyes:

But honestly....I am not seeking acceptance or validation for who I am and who my ancestors are, I am just stating facts about lineage....I happen to think lineage is very important, and folks shouldn&#39;t be ashamed or de*****ted if they admit that they know of their ancestors....for many of us it is easier to find out what Native American and European ancestry we have than to determine what African group our ancestors are from....some of us (i.e. me) DO take it seriously, so in "proving" your point, you were offensive....I respect your opinion; it just doesn&#39;t make it my reality.....
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IA but I think the problem is that a lot of black people clutch to that 1/8th Indian and feel almost like it elevates them above ‘regular blacks’.
I consider myself 100% black. A lot of family members on my mom’s side are 1/8th black and they acknowledge their black heritage and are proud of it, just like I acknowledge my native-American and French heritage. I don’t feel like any of them are in my blood, but they’re still my forefathers and foremothers. In my culture your ancestors aren’t ‘yesterday’, they are present is your everyday existence.

:smil3f9cf95099cff: BBeauty who is that breathtakingly beautiful work of art in your avatar?

Mae
01-04-2006, 12:06 AM
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I forgot to add, one of my closest friends is Nigerian. He&#39;s said some pretty rude things about Black Americans that we&#39;ve argued over. He has shared with me the negative opinions that many Nigerians have of African Americans and how some of them (Nigerians) tend to look down on us. One reason, is because how African Americans broadcast their supposed &#39;mixture&#39;. When he told me that they held that against us, so to speak, I couldn&#39;t even fight him on it for I know it&#39;s true.
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Some Black Britons have an issue with AA&#39;s because of that as well...Though you will find Black people do that rubbish over here too.
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Okay you know what I have an issue with (and I know this is going wayyyy off topic, but I feel I must speak up).....Black folks from other parts of the Diaspora always have something to say about African Americans.....our experiences and lineage is different than Native Africans or even many African immigrants to other nations......we, African Americans, are the children of the ones who survived the Middle Passage, the unique system of slavery and degridation in this country, the robbing of most of our cultural knowledge.....we don&#39;t have a "homeland" that we can claim, not in the sense that other Diasporan Blacks do......we are a "mixed" group, to some degree, whether genetically or culturally......

It is unfortunate that some Blacks throughout the Diaspora continue to "look down" on African Americans, just as some African Americans continue to "look down" on Blacks in African and in the islands.....there are no, IMO, valid reasons for this...just misunderstandings, and lack of awareness as to the unique histories of our people.......

BBeauty
01-04-2006, 12:07 AM
:smil3f9cf95099cff: BBeauty who is that breathtakingly beautiful work of art in your avatar?
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I nicked her pic from the website of a French catalogue I am joined to: La Redoute. Im trying to find out her name, when I do I will let you know (if you get there b4 me let me know :) )

I like your description of her-and I agree!

blackentropy
01-04-2006, 12:12 AM
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:smil3f9cf95099cff: BBeauty who is that breathtakingly beautiful work of art in your avatar?
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I nicked her pic from the website of a French catalogue I am joined to: La Redoute. Im trying to find out her name, when I do I will let you know (if you get there b4 me let me know :) )

I like your description of her-and I agree!
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She is gorgeous. Flawless skin and beautiful complexion.

BBeauty
01-04-2006, 12:18 AM
Full picture: http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/3161/amazingmodel2dj.png

honeybunch2k5
01-04-2006, 01:13 AM
<div class='quotemain'>Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"

<_< Why should I?[/b]

i hear ya. i for one do not think halle barry is that beautiful. i said this once in class and a hush fell over the roomhttp://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/scared/scared0012.gif
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Omg I thought I was the only one! I think Halle is pretty, but she is not something to go crazy about. My theory is that people think she is pretty because she doesn&#39;t really look very black except for her skin color. I actually believe she looks kinda like Uma Thurman with a slightly wider nose and good tan. I do not belive that Halle, Beyonce, Amerie, or Nicole Ari Parker have anything on Grace Jones or Angela Bassett! Now that&#39;s a beautiful woman, but people dont see past her dark skin and stronger features. In other words, she&#39;s not beautiful b/c she doesn&#39;t look like a white woman or any other ethnicities of women that are supposedly more beautiful than black women because of lighter skin or/and hair.

Back on topic, I do not think saying blasian babies are pretty is bad as long as you are not really saying or implying kinky hair, wide noses or other negroid features are ugly.

olly300
01-04-2006, 06:33 PM
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<div class='quotemain'>Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"

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i hear ya. i for one do not think halle barry is that beautiful. i said this once in class and a hush fell over the roomhttp://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/scared/scared0012.gif
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Omg I thought I was the only one! I think Halle is pretty, but she is not something to go crazy about. My theory is that people think she is pretty because she doesn&#39;t really look very black except for her skin color. I actually believe she looks kinda like Uma Thurman with a slightly wider nose and good tan. I do not belive that Halle, Beyonce, Amerie, or Nicole Ari Parker have anything on Grace Jones or Angela Bassett! Now that&#39;s a beautiful woman, but people dont see past her dark skin and stronger features. In other words, she&#39;s not beautiful b/c she doesn&#39;t look like a white woman or any other ethnicities of women that are supposedly more beautiful than black women because of lighter skin or/and hair.

Back on topic, I do not think saying blasian babies are pretty is bad as long as you are not really saying or implying kinky hair, wide noses or other negroid features are ugly.
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There are lots of actresses, models or singers of all races I don&#39;t feel "are something to go crazy about" at all but the media insist they are. When it comes down to chosing leading actresses at the moment Hollywood has to make it know that an actress is not "100%" black even if they look like it especially if the actress is playing against a non-black lead.

It&#39;s interesting to watch male relations of all ages, male colleagues of all races and male friends of all races watch tv or say who they like without prompting. Stars like Halle and Beyonce are only looked at with that open mouthed expression when they are dancing or clad in skimpy clothes, thereas Angela Bassett and Grace Jones get the same reaction when they are fully clothed. (Some of the guys I know have this older women thing.)

My 13 year old nephew actually came out the other day when I mentioned Destiny&#39;s Child that he thought Kelly was the prettiest in the group.

candy kisses
01-04-2006, 10:31 PM
I think Beyonce is very pretty and I think Halle is just average. Halle&#39;s look is so bland and conventional. What&#39;s the difference between her and the girls walking down the street? While I think Ashanti is way prettier than Beyonce, I still have to give Beyonce her props--she does have a different and cute look.

CatSuga
01-05-2006, 02:47 AM
I am 1/8 Creek cause one of my greatgrandparents was a Creek Indian. It is really not that hard to figure out if you know your family history. My question is why do people have problems with folk that know their family history and speak up on it?
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:icon_headshake: :lol:



There are Black people in Cuba....Im confused :huh: :(
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Oh you very confused........... :unsure:
Don&#39;t feel bad.........until I joined this site I didn&#39;t know Surinam existed.

Shanna
01-05-2006, 03:14 AM
Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"
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I&#39;ve been saying this for the l;ongest. I say Beyonce is ugly and it&#39;s like "WHAT?? You MUST be hatin&#39;!" Then when Kelly Rowland or somebody is called ugly, it&#39;s suddenly preference. :boohoo: I don&#39;t think Kimora or any of those that Catsuga posted are exceptionally good-looking either. :unsure:

nina
01-05-2006, 04:23 AM
So much anger, resentment and la-dee-da over how other folks identify, or the fact that they don’t just identify black, or that they place black last or include membership in the Hookie-Chookie tribe—when one can only control themselves. Oh well, wasted energy!

I don’t know about folks being haters, but it is so rancid when a person feels the way to overcome all this is to put down light-skinned to elevate dark-skinned or vice versa. So I think one poster nailed it when she stated “alot of women on this thread have issues.” Hell, current issues, back issues, subscriptions and the whole dang magazine rack, so moving on.


Originally posted by Candy Kisses+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Candy Kisses)</div>
I&#39;ve seen white people and hispanics with slanted eyes too. It&#39;s not a dominant feature in their races just like it isn&#39;t in our race. With Asians on the other hand, it is.[/b]

From my observation that is not true concerning many Hispanics throughout Latin America. Many of them are also of indigenous (native) bloodlines, and the first Americans arrived in the Americas from northeastern Asia via the Bering Strait (once connected Asia and N. America). Because of that you will often see “slanted” (I prefer to use the term Asianesque) eyes among Latinos due to that connection.


Originally posted by olly300@
So if you are from Saudia Arabia you are both Asian and Middle Eastern.

Huh? Saudi Arabia is in the Middle East so since when did Saudis become Asians when Saudis are Semites/Arabs/Middle Easterners? India is in what’s considered Asia proper so it would be correct to call them Asians, but Saudi Arabia isn’t.

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…they think that they&#39;re better looking than monoethnic black children.

Projection, projection! :rolleyes:

candy kisses
01-05-2006, 04:32 AM
Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"
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I&#39;ve been saying this for the l;ongest. I say Beyonce is ugly and it&#39;s like "WHAT?? You MUST be hatin&#39;!" Then when Kelly Rowland or somebody is called ugly, it&#39;s suddenly preference. :boohoo: I don&#39;t think Kimora or any of those that Catsuga posted are exceptionally good-looking either. :unsure:
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Ugly is such a harsh word. I mean, for anybody to say Beyonce is just ugly-- that&#39;s extreme.

Shanna
01-05-2006, 04:36 AM
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Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"
[/b]

I&#39;ve been saying this for the l;ongest. I say Beyonce is ugly and it&#39;s like "WHAT?? You MUST be hatin&#39;!" Then when Kelly Rowland or somebody is called ugly, it&#39;s suddenly preference. :boohoo: I don&#39;t think Kimora or any of those that Catsuga posted are exceptionally good-looking either. :unsure:
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Ugly is such a harsh word. I mean, for anybody to say Beyonce is just ugly-- that&#39;s extreme.
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Sorry, I&#39;ll be more PC next time. But I was making a point. ;) Kelly being ugly isn&#39;t extreme too?

candy kisses
01-05-2006, 04:42 AM
So much anger, resentment and la-dee-da over how other folks identify, or the fact that they don’t just identify black, or that they place black last or include membership in the Hookie-Chookie tribe—when one can only control themselves. Oh well, wasted energy!

I don’t know about folks being haters, but it is so rancid when a person feels the way to overcome all this is to put down light-skinned to elevate dark-skinned or vice versa. So I think one poster nailed it when she stated “alot of women on this thread have issues.” Hell, current issues, back issues, subscriptions and the whole dang magazine rack, so moving on.

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Now I&#39;m not saying that it was an issue of skin color...but I do wonder how much that plays into it. I also have noticed that when someone says a lighter skinned woman isn&#39;t attractive, a lot of people are surprised and demand an explanation. Like, I don&#39;t think Nicole Ari Parker is attractive. At all. I think she&#39;s mediocre at best. But a lot of people were like "What?! You don&#39;t think she&#39;s pretty?!"
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I&#39;ve been saying this for the l;ongest. I say Beyonce is ugly and it&#39;s like "WHAT?? You MUST be hatin&#39;!" Then when Kelly Rowland or somebody is called ugly, it&#39;s suddenly preference. :boohoo: I don&#39;t think Kimora or any of those that Catsuga posted are exceptionally good-looking either. :unsure:
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Ugly is such a harsh word. I mean, for anybody to say Beyonce is just ugly-- that&#39;s extreme.
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Sorry, I&#39;ll be more PC next time. But I was making a point. ;) Kelly being ugly isn&#39;t extreme too?
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Yeah I knew that you were making a point. ;) My reply was directed to everyone because I&#39;ve seen Beyonce and other decent looking women be called ugly in other topics/posts.

nina
01-05-2006, 05:10 AM
The &#39;la-dee-da&#39; over how folks identify themselves is a problem.[/b]
Not to me!

It is your problem and the problem of others who also have a problem with it. That&#39;s my point!

It&#39;s wasted energy getting annoyed over others not bending to your will and desires. People have been and can rant about this for decades, but if someone doesn&#39;t want to be in whatever group, bid them adieu and go on about yours.

sweetwhisper
01-05-2006, 08:15 AM
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I am 1/8 Creek cause one of my greatgrandparents was a Creek Indian. It is really not that hard to figure out if you know your family history. My question is why do people have problems with folk that know their family history and speak up on it?
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:icon_headshake: :lol:



There are Black people in Cuba....Im confused :huh: :(
[/b]

Oh you very confused........... :unsure:
Don&#39;t feel bad.........until I joined this site I didn&#39;t know Surinam existed.
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LOL!!! I dunno why this is funny!
Candy Kisses why is it a problem for darker people to call themselves mixed i don&#39;t understand. I know somebody who&#39;s the same complexion as the model in Bbeauty&#39;s post yet her grandfathers white. If she called herself mixed i know people would be looking at her like WTF???! But if she were light with green eyes and curly hair, it would be fine. Things like these confuse me thats why i don&#39;t think about them.

Black, Brown, mixed, whatever love your self no matter what, don&#39;t put anyone down and live your life.

olly300
01-05-2006, 11:54 AM
So much anger, resentment and la-dee-da over how other folks identify, or the fact that they don’t just identify black, or that they place black last or include membership in the Hookie-Chookie tribe—when one can only control themselves. Oh well, wasted energy!

I don’t know about folks being haters, but it is so rancid when a person feels the way to overcome all this is to put down light-skinned to elevate dark-skinned or vice versa. So I think one poster nailed it when she stated “alot of women on this thread have issues.” Hell, current issues, back issues, subscriptions and the whole dang magazine rack, so moving on.


Originally posted by Candy Kisses+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Candy Kisses)
I&#39;ve seen white people and hispanics with slanted eyes too. It&#39;s not a dominant feature in their races just like it isn&#39;t in our race. With Asians on the other hand, it is.[/b]

From my observation that is not true concerning many Hispanics throughout Latin America. Many of them are also of indigenous (native) bloodlines, and the first Americans arrived in the Americas from northeastern Asia via the Bering Strait (once connected Asia and N. America). Because of that you will often see “slanted” (I prefer to use the term Asianesque) eyes among Latinos due to that connection.

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So if you are from Saudia Arabia you are both Asian and Middle Eastern.

Huh? Saudi Arabia is in the Middle East so since when did Saudis become Asians when Saudis are Semites/Arabs/Middle Easterners? India is in what’s considered Asia proper so it would be correct to call them Asians, but Saudi Arabia isn’t.


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A continent is a geographical land mass and Asia is one of those continents like Africa. There are no maps showing the Middle East as a continent.

Saudia Arabia is in Asia.
India is in Asia.
China is in Asia.
Part of Turkey is in Asia.
Japan is in Asia.
Kuwait is in Asia.
Pakistan is in Asia.
etc.

I work with, have worked with and studied with people from around the world. If you say Asian to one person it means a different thing to another person. So if you say Asian to some people it means someone who is Chinese, and if you say Asian to another person it means someone who is Turkish.

So when you guys started talking about Asians I had no idea what country or countries you were talking about. This is why I brought up Saudia Arabia to make the point I have no idea what countries you are talking about.

I have also had this discussion when people have used the word African. If you say Africa to lots of people who have not lived or any family connection to the continent, then they start talking about something and only when you question them closely do you realise they are talking about Kenya, Ethiopia etc not the entire continent.

If someone has any close connection to the place they first state what country/place/region they are talking about.

For some reason lots of people in the West presume that everyone in the continents of Asia and Africa are the same so labelling them African or Asia is simple because everyone will understand what you are talking about, yet these continents contain the most diverse populations in terms of culture and people.

In short if you are talking about Africa or Asia mention the region you are talking about because lots of people have no idea what you mean.

Shanna
01-05-2006, 01:38 PM
I agree. Tearing down lightskinned women to build dark skinned up is not the path to take. That&#39;s only perpetuating the hate. [/b]
I don&#39;t exactly know where this idea came from as no one has said that in this thread. I have argued a similar point in other topics though, but I&#39;m not dragging that up again... <_< Besides, it was misconstrued and twisted into exactly that anyway... <_<


I do think some posters are crazy for basically thinking most lightskinned celebrities are overrated when that is not the case. Christina Millian, Ashanti, Blu Cantrell, Vanessa Williams, etc. are all gorgeous women that deserve their due credit.[/b]

That is highly debateable, whether or not they are "gorgeous". A lot of people just aren&#39;t enthralled with celebrities, period. The whole lot are overrated. :P And the ones you mentioned, besides Vanessa Williams, have never been universally regarded as &#39;gorgeous&#39; anyway. I do think those listed are average. Not horrid-looking, but not particularly good-looking either. They don&#39;t even have the face symmetry going on that folks were talking about in past threads. :P Yet somehow that&#39;s a lot more unfathomable than thinking Foxy Brown is average (which she is) and folks MUST have &#39;isssues&#39; to think so... ;)

Mae
01-05-2006, 03:14 PM
Beauty is so subjective..you are never going to have everyone agree on who is beautiful and who isn&#39;t.....I have been told that I am butt ugly and drop dead gorgeous....I am sure I am somewhere in the middle (leaning toward gorgeous of course :P ) it just depends on one&#39;s standard of beauty.....for me most women are beautiful unless they have some type of really odd feature that imo takes away from their appearence

I have to say that many Black women lose some of their beauty the further they get from their natural selves the more they try to emulate others the less unique and special they look.... :2cents:

happygurl
01-05-2006, 07:59 PM
Foxy Brown is 1/4 fillipino..

mixedfolks.com

BBeauty
01-05-2006, 08:05 PM
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I am 1/8 Creek cause one of my greatgrandparents was a Creek Indian. It is really not that hard to figure out if you know your family history. My question is why do people have problems with folk that know their family history and speak up on it?
[/b]

:icon_headshake: :lol:



There are Black people in Cuba....Im confused :huh: :(
[/b]

Oh you very confused........... :unsure:
Don&#39;t feel bad.........until I joined this site I didn&#39;t know Surinam existed.
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LOL you misunderstood. I KNOW there are Black people in Cuba which is why I was confused, because the person I responded to said she was mixed race one parent Bajan, one parent Cuban. I was wondering if she meant a non-black Cuban...some people mix up race with nationality-one boy told me he was mixed race because his mum was English and his dad was Australian..ermm they were both white <_<

But anywhoo..

To the posters who mentioned bringing down light skinned people to boost dark skinned people I find that just as pointless as the other way around...and as pointless as the &#39;one drop&#39; rule.

natural-forever
01-05-2006, 08:38 PM
Ashanti, light-skinned? :icon_eek13: When did that happen? That girl is on the dark side.