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Chyna Black
07-06-2007, 08:48 AM
Okay so why are the men playing before the women this morning? You know the rain is waiting for Vee to step on the Centre court.

Rafa beat Berych straight sets!! :D Pure joy!

Of course Roger is thru and once again resting for Roddick to make it thru his match. He should win that one because he has a better head to head with Gasquet, but we all know for the lone American man who is 13-1 against the great and mighty Fed will not see the final.

And my last two Serbia players are still here, although at this point Djovick is fighting it out in his match.

So will we have a Rafa vs. Fed Wimby this year? And a question on ESPN I would like to ask here: Will Rafa win another Grand Slam before Roger wins French Open?

jaimuziq
07-06-2007, 09:36 AM
Okay so why are the men playing before the women this morning? You know the rain is waiting for Vee to step on the Centre court.

They want us to wait for Venus.

Rafa beat Berych straight sets!! :D Pure joy!

YEAHHHH!!!!

Of course Roger is thru and once again resting for Roddick to make it thru his match. He should win that one because he has a better head to head with Gasquet, but we all know for the lone American man who is 13-1 against the great and mighty Fed will not see the final.

It's time for an American to step up and beat Fed. When was the last time an American male won a title? I don't even remember.
And my last two Serbia players are still here, although at this point Djovick is fighting it out in his match.

I'm routing for Djovick, he played well yesterday against Hewitt. He's young and HOTTT!!!


So will we have a Rafa vs. Fed Wimby this year? And a question on ESPN I would like to ask here: Will Rafa win another Grand Slam before Roger wins French Open?


It would be nice to see Rafa vs Fed and for Rafa to win in Wimbledon. Yes, Rafa will win another Grand Slam before Roger wins French Open. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :lol:

Chyna Black
07-06-2007, 10:08 AM
:lol: :wub: :lol: :wub: Venus is going to the Final!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Napia Mia
07-06-2007, 11:06 AM
I'm sorry...and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade from the old tennis discussion thread, but why do we have to have ONE thread to discuss tennis when we have an entire forum where topics can be broken out?

Chyna Black
07-06-2007, 11:16 AM
The forum is Get your Sports on. I assumed it would be numerous of sports discussed here and numerous players.

I didn't want to jack the previous thread that was Wimbledon can Serena or Venus win it all. I was trying to open a discussion about all the other players. We had a previous ten page discussion and I was hoping some of the ladies would show back up and chat about Wimby before it ends on this weekend.

Napia Mia
07-06-2007, 11:26 AM
Ah...ok... I assumed that from the title of your thread, you wanted it to be all encompassing just like the previous one. Kinda defeats the purpose of having an entire forum where we can do breakout topics related to the same sport...just like folks are doing who follow football, basketball etc. I just didn't want someone to jump all over me if I started a different topic related to tennis that I didn't want to get buried in a single thread.

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Soooo speaking of other players. I rarely watch and follow the men, but the last two sets of the Djokovic/Baghdatis was exciting. Djokovic was brilliant. While I was watching it, I was thinking, he's doing the tennis version of the Rope-a-dope to conserve his strength until he has an opportunity to go for it. And then, ha ha, one of the commentators said the exact same thing. Gutsy, gutsy tactic. I mean, wow, he had to really rely on the fact that he could hold his service game every single time and then possibly break Baghdatis when the time was right and be able to close out the game out without a lot of effort. Simply brilliant. And only 20 years old and did they say he's ranked #5 in the world? Impressive.

Wow, I was really impressed. I just hope he can get up and play in the morning cause he's gonna be sore and stiff as hell. I think I'll definitely be following his career cause he's definitely got some major game.

However, if he doesn't make it to the finals because of his back, he surely will have NOTHING to regret, especially when you give your all like that.

marissasensei
07-06-2007, 02:18 PM
Wow. I can't believe Justine lost! For anyone who saw the match, WTH happened? I was listening to the Radio Wimbledon commentary, and fell asleep after the first set, only to wake up and see that Bartoli won. I hope Vee doesn't underestimate Bartoli, because even though she'll be considered the underdog, Vee and S are notorious for not scouting their opponents. The crazy thing is that Bartoli is actually ranked higher than Vee!

Vamos Rafa! Thrilled that he took out Berdych and that he wasn't out there for four hours, for a change. After his Soderling match kept getting delayed, it was strange that Rafa was the first player to make the SF. I think he will have the advantage of Djoko b/c of fitness. As if I didn't have enough of a reason to root for Rafa, I NEED him to win because that will be the only way I get to see the final. As far as I can tell, Wimbledon isn't covered here in Spain, but I assume that they'll show the finals if Rafa's playing.

Allez Reeshard! I am happy to see him finally start to put it together at a slam (esp. considering how he played in the F.O.). The win is even sweeter because it was a five-setter and he came back to win from 2 sets and a break down, at that. I'm disappointed to have missed that match, because when Reeshard's backhand is clicking, it's a near-religious experience, truly sublime. :wub: And assuming his fitness isn't a problem (yeah, a big IF), he could trouble Fed more than Roddick. I really hope Reeshard wins -- it would be exciting to see a finals matchup of two "New Balls" players.

ETA this gem from Bartoli's post-match interview:

"I didn't start well. It was so stressful being on Centre Court for the first time. But then I saw Pierce Brosnan in the crowd and he's one of my favourite actors so I just tried to play a little better."

Apparently, after she said this, she looked at the camera and asked Pierce Brosnan to come back for the final to bring her more good luck.

Too bad Bartoli is playing against Vee in the final -- I'd probably be rooting for her otherwise!

Chyna Black
07-06-2007, 03:01 PM
Bartoli also said he was too beautiful so she wanted to play better because he was watching her lose. MB is becoming a quiet giant killer during Wimby. I will be sure to catch the Complete Wimbledon to see how she moved JH around the court.


Oh I hope Vee doesn't underestimate the young French woman! Yeah NappyMe Djokovic is one of my favorite Serbia playing, but he will be against my favorite tennis player in the semi....Rafa....

Either one of them will be okay for me to have a happy men's final because let's face neither will beat Roger on Sunday or Monday in case the rain returns.

I guess Friday was a French day because Andy lost to Gasquet, which is weird because he hardly loses to him. Sorry A-Rod.....Once again a Williams is the last American standing......more joy!!!

mimosa
07-06-2007, 03:31 PM
WTH happened to Roddick?? Geez.

Napia Mia
07-06-2007, 03:43 PM
So once again...there are no American men left standing. Man....

marissasensei
07-06-2007, 03:53 PM
Bartoli also said he was too beautiful so she wanted to play better because he was watching her lose.
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:lol: More from her press conference:

Q. 1-6 in the first set to the No. 1 player in the world. How did you come back?

MARION BARTOLI: To come back?

Q. Yes .

MARION BARTOLI: Well, to tell you the truth, as I said on BBC a few minutes ago, I saw Pierce Brosnan in the crowd, which is one of my favorite actor. I love his movies.I said to myself, it's not possible I play so bad in front of him. Because he watch me and I play so bad it was unbelievable. So I try to feel it a bit more the ball, play more smartly. I saw he was cheering for me, so I said, Oh, maybe it's good. I kept going and I won, so maybe a little bit for Pierce Brosnan.

Q. TV personalities like Cliff Richard in the earlier match, does it not distract you having celebrities in the crowd?

MARION BARTOLI: Well, I was focusing on Pierce Brosnan because he is so beautiful. I was just watching him. He was the only one.

. . . .Q. Probably the most distinctive thing about your game, other than two hands everywhere, is the accuracy of your groundstrokes. Not necessarily the hardest in tennis but the accuracy is amazing. Are there drills you've used over the years to become such an accurate groundstroker?

MARION BARTOLI: When I was younger, still living in France, we didn't have any indoor courts. The indoor courts we had was multi surface courts. It was the courts for volleyball, basketball, tennis. They have some multi lines all over the courts. My dad used to put me some targets. If I touched the targets, I get a candy. So I was very motivated. Maybe that's why I'm still loving too much the candies. :lol: But whatever.

. . . .Q. You mentioned Pierce Brosnan. What is your favorite Bond movie?

MARION BARTOLI: Well, the one with Sophie Marceau. This is Die Another Day or the World is Not Enough, something like that. But Pierce Brosnan, I can watch James Bond a hundred times in a row. It's not a problem for me.

. . . Q. Will you invite Pierce Brosnan into your box tomorrow?

MARION BARTOLI: I'm not sure I will meet him again before my match, but I'm sure he will have some tickets to get in. That's no problem I think.

Q. I spoke to Pierce Brosnan, and he says he has a wedding tomorrow but he'll be with you in spirit. He has a picture if you want it. Does that satisfy you?

MARION BARTOLI: Yeah, that is satisfying me.

olympia621
07-06-2007, 04:19 PM
I'm not sure if this was discussed in the other thread but did y'all talk about Kusetnova's braids?
They weren't half bad but looks like she should have tied them down.

GurlwithCurls
07-06-2007, 04:40 PM
Marion Bartoli beating Justine Henin in the semis at Wimbledon is not just the upset of the year -- it is the most shocking result since Iva Majoli defeated Martina Hingis at the French Open final ten years ago! :huh: Even Sharapova winning over Serena at Wimby three years ago doesn't come close. And she didn't just beat her-- she spanked her butt raw in that third set. My jaw is still on the floor. She has come back from a set down in her last three matches.

This result has convinced me that Henin will NEVER win Wimbledon. This was her best year to do so and she blew it. It will be her curse, kinda like how Lendl and Monica could never win Wimby and Fed may never win the French. And I'm glad because I don't want that chick winning the career slam.

I really really really hope Venus does not underestimate her opponent who has just sent the #1 and #3 seeds packing. She tends to play rather shaky against players she doesn't know because she doesn't do any research (that's why her worst losses over the last few years have been to unknown teenagers). Bartoli has nothing to lose and will be swinging freely. At least with Henin Vee would know what to expect. But what other tricks is this French girl gonna pull outta her hat? :o Anyways Venus played a nice semi today, not at the level of her Sharapova match but hopefully she'll peak again tomorrow. Ivanovic put up a great fight in the second set and showed lots of heart. I like that kid a lot. But go Vee!

With that said, I love Marion! :P If she weren't playing Vee I'd be rooting for her. The Pierce Brosnan quote is gold. I feel her, I'd wanna play good for 007 too :lol: Her game with its power and double-handed strokes on both sides is so reminiscent of Seles. And homegirl has got some balls, what a tough cookie. She is the, err, "healthiest" looking pro-athlete I've ever seen (read: so chunky I can't believe she can run to any balls!) but its part of her quirky charm I guess.

As for the men-- I can't believe Reeshard finally came through today. The French have been waiting for this for a long time. After such a draining match I'm not sure he can provide much resistance to Fed. But he's got a better chance of beating him than Roddick ever did.

I wanted Bagdaddy to beat the Djoker but I can't begrudge my little Serbian man the win. He's growing on me. I think Rafa will take care of him though. I did not think that Rafa would have a chance of making the final again when I saw he'd have to play his fast-surface nemeses Youzhny and Berdych. Boy did he surprise me.

What a day, good lord, my heart is still racing at all this craziness.

I am confused as to what they are going to do tomorrow in terms of tv coverage. NBC won't start coverage until 9am which is the scheduled time of the women's final. But the men's semis are happening tomorrow too. I'm afraid they won't show those matches live :(

jaimuziq
07-06-2007, 05:22 PM
:lol: More from her press conference:

Q. 1-6 in the first set to the No. 1 player in the world. How did you come back?

MARION BARTOLI: To come back?

Q. Yes .

MARION BARTOLI: Well, to tell you the truth, as I said on BBC a few minutes ago, I saw Pierce Brosnan in the crowd, which is one of my favorite actor. I love his movies.I said to myself, it's not possible I play so bad in front of him. Because he watch me and I play so bad it was unbelievable. So I try to feel it a bit more the ball, play more smartly. I saw he was cheering for me, so I said, Oh, maybe it's good. I kept going and I won, so maybe a little bit for Pierce Brosnan.

Q. TV personalities like Cliff Richard in the earlier match, does it not distract you having celebrities in the crowd?

MARION BARTOLI: Well, I was focusing on Pierce Brosnan because he is so beautiful. I was just watching him. He was the only one.

. . . .Q. Probably the most distinctive thing about your game, other than two hands everywhere, is the accuracy of your groundstrokes. Not necessarily the hardest in tennis but the accuracy is amazing. Are there drills you've used over the years to become such an accurate groundstroker?

MARION BARTOLI: When I was younger, still living in France, we didn't have any indoor courts. The indoor courts we had was multi surface courts. It was the courts for volleyball, basketball, tennis. They have some multi lines all over the courts. My dad used to put me some targets. If I touched the targets, I get a candy. So I was very motivated. Maybe that's why I'm still loving too much the candies. :lol: But whatever.

. . . .Q. You mentioned Pierce Brosnan. What is your favorite Bond movie?

MARION BARTOLI: Well, the one with Sophie Marceau. This is Die Another Day or the World is Not Enough, something like that. But Pierce Brosnan, I can watch James Bond a hundred times in a row. It's not a problem for me.

. . . Q. Will you invite Pierce Brosnan into your box tomorrow?

MARION BARTOLI: I'm not sure I will meet him again before my match, but I'm sure he will have some tickets to get in. That's no problem I think.

Q. I spoke to Pierce Brosnan, and he says he has a wedding tomorrow but he'll be with you in spirit. He has a picture if you want it. Does that satisfy you?

MARION BARTOLI: Yeah, that is satisfying me.
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That is the craziest interview. She worried about Pierce Brosnan instead of concentrating on her game. Maybe she'll lose against Venus since he won't be watching her. :lol:

marissasensei
07-07-2007, 06:31 AM
Fed up two sets to love. Allez Reeshard! -- at least win a set. :( I think this would've been a much different match had Reeshard won the first set.

It sounds like Djokovic is really struggling physically. Rafa's up 5-1 in the second set and serving for the match. He NEEDS to win for us to have a chance to see a competitive final.

ETA: Reeshard just called for the trainer. . . Oh, well.

EATA: Sheesh. Djokovic just called the trainer as well.

EATA: Djokovic retired. :( I'm happy to see Rafa make it to the finals, but I didn't want him to get there this way. I feel awful for Djoko.

GurlwithCurls
07-07-2007, 07:47 AM
So what chance are y'all giving Rafa in the final? I think he has a decent shot. He is a lot better on grass this year than last, and I don't think Fed is playing as well as usual, despite the routine scorelines. It doesn't matter what the surface is. Rafa ain't scared and that's half the battle right there.

I am pulling for Bartoli to make this competitive. I don't want to see her bageled or anything. I like that she's fighting so hard and smacking that ball. But go Vee!

ETA why did I have to open my big mouth? Vee just got broken :unsure: I take it back, I want total demolition! Anything to guarantee a Vee victory.

marissasensei
07-07-2007, 09:03 AM
Congrats Vee! :D Congrats to Marion too, for getting to the final, and putting up a good fight.



So what chance are y'all giving Rafa in the final? I think he has a decent shot. He is a lot better on grass this year than last, and I don't think Fed is playing as well as usual, despite the routine scorelines. It doesn't matter what the surface is. Rafa ain't scared and that's half the battle right there.[/b]

I agree with your assessment. I think this year's final will be more competitive than last year's, both because Rafa has improved as a grasscourt player and because I'm still not convinced Fed has shaken off all the rust from going so long between matches. And if Rafa could win this, it would be huge -- he has always said Wimbledon is the title he most wants to win.

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 09:04 AM
Yeah, baby!!!!!!!

hate to say, "I told you so," but........didn't I tell y'all that she would win the rest of her matches in straight sets?!!!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

I :wub: it!!!

Fed is next to win his 5th!! Hate to break it to you Rafa fans!! ;)

jaimuziq
07-07-2007, 09:15 AM
Yeah, baby!!!!!!!

hate to say, "I told you so," but........didn't I tell y'all that she would win the rest of her matches in straight sets?!!!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

I :wub: it!!!

Fed is next to win his 5th!! Hate to break it to you Rafa fans!! ;)
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WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO, she did it again. John McEnroe is probably cursing somewhere. I would love to see a Fed upset. ^_^

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 09:27 AM
I would love to see a Fed upset. ^_^[/b]
So, we've got another Rafa lover, huh? Well, you guys can dream on because as far as Rafa beating Fed on grass....... :icon_headshake:


Okay, when I heard the announcer say she mentioned her long-time boyfriend, I was like :huh: , so I had to do a quick google of his name. Okay, why didn't you guys ever mention this in past discussions?? Or, did you guys mention it and I just missed it?? I was totally in the dark on this one.

http://www.bossip.com/wp-content/uploads/venusboyfriend2.jpg

ETA: and why is he not carrying her bag for her?!! <_<

jaimuziq
07-07-2007, 10:06 AM
So, we&#39;ve got another Rafa lover, huh? Well, you guys can dream on because as far as Rafa beating Fed on grass....... :icon_headshake:
Okay, when I heard the announcer say she mentioned her long-time boyfriend, I was like :huh: , so I had to do a quick google of his name. Okay, why didn&#39;t you guys ever mention this in past discussions?? Or, did you guys mention it and I just missed it?? I was totally in the dark on this one.

http://www.bossip.com/wp-content/uploads/venusboyfriend2.jpg

ETA: and why is he not carrying her bag for her?!! <_<
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Yes, I :wub: Rafa and Fed needs to go down in the finals. Venus & Henry were discussed in one of the celeb threads. She thanked him for being there after she thanked the important folks like family, coaches, staff and etc.

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 10:23 AM
Yes, I :wub: Rafa and Fed needs to go down in the finals. Venus & Henry were discussed in one of the celeb threads. She thanked him for being there after she thanked the important folks like family, coaches, staff and etc.
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I don&#39;t read the celeb threads, so maybe that&#39;s why I missed it. I&#39;m just surprised the tennis experts (my word for them--they know who they are) on this site hadn&#39;t mentioned it. I&#39;m usually in the dark about the personal lives of famous people, so this is probably very old news to most while it is my first time hearing about it and I am a serious tennis fan! :lol:

Re the bolded part: I repeat -- :icon_headshake:

I could be wrong (I was on my FO prediction that Fed would win), but I don&#39;t think so! :lol:

marissasensei
07-07-2007, 10:43 AM
I don&#39;t read the celeb threads, so maybe that&#39;s why I missed it. I&#39;m just surprised the tennis experts (my word for them--they know who they are) on this site hadn&#39;t mentioned it. I&#39;m usually in the dark about the personal lives of famous people, so this is probably very old news to most while it is my first time hearing about it and I am a serious tennis fan! :lol: [/b]

Heh. What was there to mention? AFAIK, dude is just an average-looking pro golfer who hasn&#39;t won anything and doesn&#39;t seem like all that much of a catch. But hey, if Vee likes it . . . *shrug* :lol: Anyway, this was the first time I heard about him being at any of Vee&#39;s matches. Maybe they were just waiting for his divorce to become final? :unsure:

jaimuziq
07-07-2007, 10:54 AM
Heh. What was there to mention? AFAIK, dude is just an average-looking pro golfer who hasn&#39;t won anything and doesn&#39;t seem like all that much of a catch. But hey, if Vee likes it . . . *shrug* :lol: Anyway, this was the first time I heard about him being at any of Vee&#39;s matches. Maybe they were just waiting for his divorce to become final? :unsure:
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That is so cold. :lol: I don&#39;t think they have been dating long and I really don&#39;t care about it; I&#39;m just so glad that she won today. :D

Hey CoCo2000, I hear ya. I can always hope, it just would be so nice to see someone else beat him besides Nadal on clay. Who was the last American male to any title and when? I can&#39;t even remember. The men need to man up and win some titles.

Chyna Black
07-07-2007, 11:11 AM
Can we call Papa Williams dead on the money? He said the first day that Vee would win it all and look what happen. Did anyone catch the way he made Bartoli father cry more after she thank her father? Papa W turned around and hugged him. The man was done then...

MB said she played the best player on grass today!! I think she is one of my new favorites just for the respect she gave the four time Wimby Champion today!! Boy I was super nervous watching that match. I honestly think VS slowed down her game to make MB play longer then after she got her thigh wrapped she went all for it!! Oh I loved it!!!

And sorry CoCo, I have seen pics of Henry since Wimby started he was there for Vee and Jackie was there for Serena. So now two of the grand slams in 07 go down in history as more wins by the Williams Sister...... :wub: :wub: :wub:

RAFA and Roger.......I am going out there and wipe away the sleep from Coco&#39;s eyes....Rafa will win tomorrow and stop Roger from the five peat.

Watch what I tell you...... :lol: :P

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 11:25 AM
Hey CoCo2000, I hear ya. I can always hope, it just would be so nice to see someone else beat him besides Nadal on clay. Who was the last American male to any title and when? I can&#39;t even remember. The men need to man up and win some titles.
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i ono why people be hatin&#39; on the Fed! :lol:

Seriously, I have a friend who never root for Fed for the reason you mentioned. Now, that ain&#39;t right! As far as men&#39;s tennis goes, Fed is just the man right now!

Re American men: I think the last major was Roddick&#39;s US Open win a few years ago. They have won other titles, but not a major in a while. :(

Unless, of course you consider the "Boys" events because Donald Young, Jr. (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/bios/ms/atpy124.html) is on his way to winning the singles and/or doubles Wimbledon title in that division this weekend....hopefully. ;) After reading the article about him posted in the last thread by marissasensei, it is great to see him back on track in that division. (I tried to post a link to it here, but I couldn&#39;t...it&#39;s on page 6 in the last tennis thread).

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 11:36 AM
Heh. What was there to mention? AFAIK, dude is just an average-looking pro golfer who hasn&#39;t won anything and doesn&#39;t seem like all that much of a catch. But hey, if Vee likes it . . . *shrug* :lol: Anyway, this was the first time I heard about him being at any of Vee&#39;s matches. Maybe they were just waiting for his divorce to become final? :unsure:
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:( I know, right? I was sad when I read the bolded part above online this morning for the first time. I was like, "No!!!!!" I wanted so much more for her! As if it is about me, though, right?!!

As you said, if she likes it, I just hope she is smart enough to not let him come even close to getting his hands on a dime of her money.

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 11:47 AM
Did anyone catch the way he made Bartoli father cry more after she thank her father? Papa W turned around and hugged him. The man was done then...
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Girl, I was like, "Awwwww, look at them!" Then, it looked like Richard gave him some tissue! Two proud dads! :wub:

But, i onno about Bartoli&#39;s dad&#39;s training methods. Did you guys hear what Mary Carillo said about how he trains her? I was like, :huh: , then, the mother in me was like, :Angry: :icon_headshake: :icon_twak: He is just wrong for some of those methods, I&#39;m sorry.



MB said she played the best player on grass today!! I think she is one of my new favorites just for the respect she gave the four time Wimby Champion today!!
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ITA with this statement.



RAFA and Roger.......I am going out there and wipe away the sleep from Coco&#39;s eyes....Rafa will win tomorrow and stop Roger from the five peat.

Watch what I tell you......
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:icon_headshake:



So now two of the grand slams in 07 go down in history as more wins by the Williams Sister...... [/b]
And, I&#39;m predicting the U.S. Open for Venus, if she gets/stays healthy. If not, then Serena, with the same condition. So, to borrow ashta&#39;s (I think it was ashta&#39;s :unsure: ) phrase from a past discussion:

"All is right in the world of women&#39;s tennis again!" :)

GurlwithCurls
07-07-2007, 03:31 PM
All hail Venus, Queen of Wimby! :D That trophy isn&#39;t called the Venus Rosewater Dish for nothing. And Bartoli is a new fave now too. The score doesn&#39;t reflect how well she fought and the great fighting spirit she showed. I loved that she wasn&#39;t terrified by the occasion, she could have easily just crumbled in her first major final. And the trophy ceremony was so lovely with great speeches by both players and a touching moment between Papa Williams and Papa Bartoli. Apparently they are on friendly terms. Like Richard, Papa Bartoli raised and trained his daughter outside of his country&#39;s tennis federation with unorthodox methods and he has a bit of a rep as a loon. So I guess he relates a bit to Richard Williams, or should I say Nostradamus since he stated point blank the first day of the tourny that Venus would win :)

As for Venus&#39;s beau-- I seriously have never seen her look this happy and serene. She has a glow to her and her interviews are so insightful and zen-like. Methinks she is content and in love, and if Hank has something to do with that then more power to them! I hope she drags him to all her tournaments if it means she will play this well. Given his professional results, he&#39;s more useful as Venus&#39;s arm candy/cheerleader than a golfer anywayz :lol:

Very satisfying result on the women&#39;s side. Now let&#39;s see what the men can come up with.

Part of me thinks Rafa beating Roger in the Wimbledon final would be cool since it would really shake up the tennis world. The other part of me fears for Roger&#39;s sanity if that does happen!

ETA I&#39;m surprised some of you are saying that JMac hates the Williamses. Why do you say so? Have I missed some negative comments he&#39;s made? I always got the impression that he liked them. He tends to like the dramatic, intense players (he&#39;s a Nadal lover for this reason). I am pretty positive that Tracy Austin flat out does not like Serena and Venus, but she&#39;s a proven idiot so who cares. And Martina Nav has a problem with everyone. Mary Carillo has been behaving lately.

jaimuziq
07-07-2007, 03:52 PM
ETA I&#39;m surprised some of you are saying that JMac hates the Williamses. Why do you say so? Have I missed some negative comments he&#39;s made? I always got the impression that he liked them. He tends to like the dramatic, intense players (he&#39;s a Nadal lover for this reason). I am pretty positive that Tracy Austin flat out does not like Serena and Venus, but she&#39;s a proven idiot so who cares. And Martina Nav has a problem with everyone. Mary Carillo has been behaving lately.
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This is one of the reasons I don&#39;t like JMac.

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.ns...%20feud_1000918 (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/mcenroe%20reignites%20williams%20feud_1000918)

Former tennis ace JOHN MCENROE has reignited his feud with SERENA WILLIAMS, claiming the sportswoman should stay away from fashion and films. While Williams&#39; sister VENUS stays more focused on the sport, Serena indulges her passion for fashion with her clothes line Aneres and has appeared in episodes or E.R., LAW + ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT and MY WIFE AND KIDS. MCEnroe has often criticised the Williams sisters in the past, saying, "They are all as cold as ice," and, "Nor do I particularly want to have anything to do with them until they start to show people in the sport a little more respect." MCEnroe says, "I can&#39;t say that I&#39;m getting on with them that well. "Venus is respectful. "It&#39;s a shame that Serena&#39;s priority seems to have been design clothes and act rather than play tennis. "But I think she&#39;ll realise that she&#39;s never going to be the new MERYL STREEP."

27/06/2006 07:42


I have never heard him say anything positive about them. Women&#39;s tennis would be boring without them.

Here&#39;s one more.
http://people.monstersandcritics.com/news/...cle_1044976.php (http://people.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1044976.php)

People News

John McEnroe says Williams sisters hurting tennis

Aug 31, 2005, 3:55 GMT


John McEnroe has accused Venus and Serena Williams of "hurting" tennis with their host of extra-curricular interests.

The sisters have been a force in the sport for a number of years, but former player McEnroe believes they&#39;d perform even better - and add some interest and glamour to tennis - if they stuck to their main jobs.

He says, "It&#39;s a little disappointing to see them, because this story is probably unheard of in sports in general: two sisters become (numbers) one and two in the world.

"I don&#39;t blame &#39;em for getting bored at times. They seem to be so much better. But they haven&#39;t trained as hard and they seem to be designing clothes and wanting to be an actor or actress and it seems like their focus has left.

"What happens is they&#39;re not around the tennis as much, so that ends up hurting the sport."


Whenever you get a chance, read this too. This is an NBC message board and a lot of people are talking about JMac&#39;s and others comments about Serena&#39;s injury just the other day. He is such an idiot.

http://boards.nbcuni.com/nbcs/lofiversion/...x.php/t686.html (http://boards.nbcuni.com/nbcs/lofiversion/index.php/t686.html)

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 04:00 PM
he has a bit of a rep as a loon. So I guess he relates a bit to Richard Williams, or should I say Nostradamus since he stated point blank the first day of the tourny that Venus would win :)

As for Venus&#39;s beau-- I seriously have never seen her look this happy and serene. She has a glow to her and her interviews are so insightful and zen-like. Methinks she is content and in love, and if Hank has something to do with that then more power to them! I hope she drags him to all her tournaments if it means she will play this well. Given his professional results, he&#39;s more useful as Venus&#39;s arm candy/cheerleader than a golfer anywayz :lol: [/b]
ITA with these statements and :lol: at the bolded parts!



ETA I&#39;m surprised some of you are saying that JMac hates the Williamses. Why do you say so? Have I missed some negative comments he&#39;s made? I always got the impression that he liked them. [/b]
To borrow your statement regarding Carillo, JMac has been "behaving" when it comes to the sisters and I think it was a few years ago when he finally acknowledged that he had to be a fan if for no other reason than out of respect for their talent. <_< He is behaving now, but I remember several matches that he called where I had to literally mute the television to keep from being :Angry: over something he said about them because his comments about them would always seem to be out of meanness instead of constructive criticism.

Perfect example is when they played each other in the final of the French: he made a sarcastic comment right before their speeches to the effect of, "Now, if they start speaking French, then I am going to eat my notes here." Well, I think Venus spoke first and yes, they both gave their comments in French! I was like, :P at him and one of the other announcers reminded him that he was supposed to be eating paper. I don&#39;t think I heard him say anything else for the rest of the day, which was fine with me!

I&#39;ve never been a fan of his. I sent an email to his nbcsports.com email address the other day letting him have it about his ignorant question re Kuznetsova&#39;s braids, "How does she wash it?" In short, I told him, "The same way you wash your hair....with shampoo and water!" <_<

CoCo2000
07-07-2007, 05:18 PM
"What happens is they&#39;re not around the tennis as much, so that ends up hurting the sport&#39;"[/b]
He&#39;s right.....when they&#39;re not around, it hurts the sport because not as many people watch it! It is a proven fact that whenever the sisters play, the ratings are through the roof, so when they are not playing, the sport is losing money. I would be willing to bet that if it wasn&#39;t for his often racist criticisms of the sisters, his behind would probably not be nearly as visible in tennis world as he still is, but, sadly, there are a lot of tennis fans who probably enjoy his commentaries. <_<

Here are a couple more links to past articles regarding his idiocy. I think his extra meanness in comments concerning them began when they pretty much laughed at the suggestion that one or both of them play him for a million dollars, but I can&#39;t remember all of the details. They basically said they were not interested in playing a male tennis player and he tried to play it down, but at the time, it sure seemed like he would have loved to play one or both of them.

more proof of the above (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics2000/racquet_sports/928229.stm)

Oh, No, McEnroe (http://claytonandtheresa.users.btopenworld.com/McEnroe.html)

jaimuziq
07-07-2007, 08:29 PM
He&#39;s right.....when they&#39;re not around, it hurts the sport because not as many people watch it! It is a proven fact that whenever the sisters play, the ratings are through the roof, so when they are not playing, the sport is losing money. I would be willing to bet that if it wasn&#39;t for his often racist criticisms of the sisters, his behind would probably not be nearly as visible in tennis world as he still is, but, sadly, there are a lot of tennis fans who probably enjoy his commentaries. <_<

Here are a couple more links to past articles regarding his idiocy. I think his extra meanness in comments concerning them began when they pretty much laughed at the suggestion that one or both of them play him for a million dollars, but I can&#39;t remember all of the details. They basically said they were not interested in playing a male tennis player and he tried to play it down, but at the time, it sure seemed like he would have loved to play one or both of them.

more proof of the above (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics2000/racquet_sports/928229.stm)

Oh, No, McEnroe (http://claytonandtheresa.users.btopenworld.com/McEnroe.html)
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I hear ya. Why does he think that tennis has to be their entire lives?(His sorry **** is trying to act so he can&#39;t talk about Serena)I believe their main focus is tennis because that&#39;s what&#39;s paying the bills. I think it&#39;s good that they have a Plan B, they can&#39;t play tennis forever and I don&#39;t know if NBC or ESPN would allow them to be tennis commentators when they decide to retire from tennis.

True, more people watch when they play but the TV stations are making millions more then Venus & Serena will ever see. If he&#39;s so concerned about tennis, is he trying to encourage young boys and girls to play tennis? No, he&#39;s too busy tearing Venus & Serena to shreds and he&#39;s not the only one. Mary Jo Fernandez and Mary Carillo do the same thing. Mary Jo is definitely a HATER of the sistas popularity and skills.

It was Donald Trump who proposed a game between JMac and Venus or Serena. New York Times Archives (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0711FB3A540C708CDDA00894D84044 82&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fM%2f McEnroe%2c%20John)

Chyna Black
07-07-2007, 08:42 PM
Wow, I missed all that nasty stuff with Mac concerning the WS. During this last Wimby he was behaving better but now I think on it I can&#39;t remember too many things he had to say negative or positive. He is still a grown azz baby to me.

Now Mary was all Williams this time. She could not believe that Vee being a three time champion didn&#39;t have a higher rating at Wimbledon she said that numerous of times.

For me, I think when people are confident and back up their talents folks want them to be super humble. It takes a strong personality to go out and be the best at what you do so the fact the WS have any type of attitude is crazy to me. You have to believe your are the best to beat the best. That&#39;s what Roger and Rafa have going on for them. No one says a dayum thing when Roger comes into a press room and says he played unbelieveable tennis, it shock him. So he can be confident and not label cocky. Dang....

Anyway, I take what I want from the tennis guru because today the number 23rd ranked woman won it again for the fourth time.

Well I will be back once Rafa puts a whooping on Roger...... :)

marissasensei
07-07-2007, 10:02 PM
True, more people watch when they play but the TV stations are making millions more then Venus & Serena will ever see. If he&#39;s so concerned about tennis, is he trying to encourage young boys and girls to play tennis? No, he&#39;s too busy tearing Venus & Serena to shreds and he&#39;s not the only one. Mary Jo Fernandez and Mary Carillo do the same thing. Mary Jo is definitely a HATER of the sistas popularity and skills.

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Say what you want about John McEnroe, but I don&#39;t think he can ever be accused of not making efforts to improve the game and promote it among kids.

*dons flameproof suit* I hate that any tennis thread mentioning Venus and/or Serena invariably turns into a re-hashing of all the negative (real or imagined) things that every commentator has ever said about them.

Nice article/wrap-up of the Vee/Marion match here, including interview excerpts with Vee in which she addresses her weight loss: http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld...-as-well-j.html (http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld/2007/07/might-as-well-j.html)

CoCo2000
07-08-2007, 07:27 AM
Why does he think that tennis has to be their entire lives?[/b]
Girl, I think this is one of the main reasons the &#39;tennis establishment" dislikes the sisters: because tennis is NOT their entire lives and when they actually play, they are still capable of putting a beatdown on the so-called top players, and usually do. :lol: It&#39;s one of the reasons I :wub: those girls!



If he&#39;s so concerned about tennis, is he trying to encourage young boys and girls to play tennis?
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I usually don&#39;t keep up with what McEnroe is involved in, so I don&#39;t know if he does this on a regular basis. However, I love to see people who look like me have the opportunity to play in sports that we have historically been shut out of, so I try to keep up with Black players, especially young Americans. I mentioned Donald Young, Jr. (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/bios/ms/atpy124.html) earlier and I remember a couple of years ago when he was getting a lot of attention, I read that McEnroe encouraged him and even trained with him a little. He also made statements to the effect that Young was possibly going to be the future of American men&#39;s tennis. I&#39;m not a fan of JMac, but I do believe in giving credit where credit is due, so I know of this one incident when he encouraged a young player. (BTW, earlier today, Young won the boys singles title at Wimbledon and appears to be on his way to doing the same in the boys doubles :) )



It was Donald Trump who proposed a game between JMac and Venus or Serena. New York Times Archives (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0711FB3A540C708CDDA00894D84044 82&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fM%2f McEnroe%2c%20John) [/b]
Thanks. I couldn&#39;t remember whose idea it was, but I do remember McE was not against it until the sisters pretty much laughed at the thought and said they had no intention of playing a man.

Anyhoo, I&#39;m off to watch Fed win number 5. ;)

jaimuziq
07-08-2007, 08:47 AM
Girl, I think this is one of the main reasons the &#39;tennis establishment" dislikes the sisters: because tennis is NOT their entire lives and when they actually play, they are still capable of putting a beatdown on the so-called top players, and usually do. :lol: It&#39;s one of the reasons I :wub: those girls!
I usually don&#39;t keep up with what McEnroe is involved in, so I don&#39;t know if he does this on a regular basis. However, I love to see people who look like me have the opportunity to play in sports that we have historically been shut out of, so I try to keep up with Black players, especially young Americans. I mentioned Donald Young, Jr. (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/bios/ms/atpy124.html) earlier and I remember a couple of years ago when he was getting a lot of attention, I read that McEnroe encouraged him and even trained with him a little. He also made statements to the effect that Young was possibly going to be the future of American men&#39;s tennis. I&#39;m not a fan of JMac, but I do believe in giving credit where credit is due, so I know of this one incident when he encouraged a young player. (BTW, earlier today, Young won the boys singles title at Wimbledon and appears to be on his way to doing the same in the boys doubles :) )
Thanks. I couldn&#39;t remember whose idea it was, but I do remember McE was not against it until the sisters pretty much laughed at the thought and said they had no intention of playing a man.

Anyhoo, I&#39;m off to watch Fed win number 5. ;)
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Okay, I&#39;m done w/ JMac. :offtop: What&#39;s up with Nadal and his underwear?

CoCo2000
07-08-2007, 08:59 AM
Nice article/wrap-up of the Vee/Marion match here, including interview excerpts with Vee in which she addresses her weight loss: http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld...-as-well-j.html (http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld/2007/07/might-as-well-j.html)
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Thanks so much for sharing this article. I loved it!!

PB makes the same observations as our own GurlwithCurls regarding how happy Vee seems to be these days and insinuated that it might be because of her beau.

So far, every article I&#39;ve read about yesterday&#39;s final has been entertaining to me, so it looks like we were not the only ones who thoroughly enjoyed it, especially the outcome. :wub:

Anyhoo, let me get my behind off this computer and off to church! I&#39;ll be back later to discuss Fed&#39;s victory. :lol:

Chyna Black
07-08-2007, 09:21 AM
Oh Donald Young Jr. is a cutie!! Mac said he hit a few with him when Donald was ten years old. He also said that Roddick and Blake have taken Young to their camps to train some with him. So he could possibly be the future of tennis.

But enough of Mac, Nadal has level the match one set a piece. He appears to be playing head games with the world&#39;s number one.....Vamos Rafa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GurlwithCurls
07-08-2007, 10:33 AM
OMG this match is spellbinding! Deciding 5th set! I have goosebumps!

I hope Rafa&#39;s knee problem does not affect the rest of his play.

ETA what a match. Good on Roger for coming back. I really thought Rafa would take it after the fourth set, plus with Roger&#39;s little tantrum about the electronic line replay. I feel bad for Rafa but he should be proud of his performance, he pushed Roger so hard even after getting screwed by the rain and the scheduling all week. It was the best match of the year so far I&#39;d say!

Chyna Black
07-08-2007, 11:15 AM
Dang it!!!! Roger won that, I am so disappointed..... :Angry:

Well I really can&#39;t be that upset. This is the first time in six years that Roger had to play five sets, my guy is the only one that can test him but still doesn&#39;t have the anwer for him on grass.....

Well I still :wub: Rafa. Get it together take it during the US Open. They still are way ahead of the field....

Wow Ladies Wimby was exciting this year!!

marissasensei
07-08-2007, 11:16 AM
Congrats Fed. :)

Congrats to Rafa as well for such a well-played match. :wub: I would say that the gap between the two on grass appears to be narrowing. Hopefully, there&#39;s nothing seriously wrong with Rafa&#39;s knee. :( I know that he is too classy to admit that it may have played a role in the outcome of the match, but I can&#39;t help but wonder "what if?" :(


That match made up for the crappiness of the SFs. Actually, that&#39;s the best Wimby men&#39;s final I&#39;ve seen in the last, oh 5 years, ;) and is was almost as good as the Ivanisevic/Rafter match in 2001 <---gotta give the slight edge to Goran&#39;s match because I was so happy with the outcome. lol

ETA: Has Carlos Ramos (the chair ump) always been this hot? Let&#39;s just say I was hoping for more line call challenges than I usually do. ^_^ Between him, Miguel Angel (Nadal), and (of course) Rafa . . . . this match was very easy on the eyes.

EATA: This is Fed&#39;s 11th Grand Slam title -- just think, if he keeps up at his current pace (i.e., winning everything but the French ;) ), this time next year, he could be in a position to tie Sampras with 14 GSs. And all before his 27th b-day.

Chyna Black
07-08-2007, 11:57 AM
Congrats Fed. :)

EATA: This is Fed&#39;s 11th Grand Slam title -- just think, if he keeps up at his current pace (i.e., winning everything but the French ;) ), this time next year, he could be in a position to tie Sampras with 14 GSs. And all before his 27th b-day.
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And that alone is reason for me to start being more respectful of the Fed......

He has accomplished so much and he remains in great health with no injuries. Amazing to me because I just really want to see some sweat from the guy. Hopefully Rafa was just a little fatigue since he had to play every day and his knees were just showing they need more rest. Once he rests and get his head back he will continue to be the only player that can even get to Roger.

Bring on the Hardcourt season.....

marissasensei
07-08-2007, 02:06 PM
Dumb tennis journalist question of the day (from Rafa&#39;s press conference):

Q. Today you looked very angry. Were you angry or just intense concentration?

RN: On the match?

Q. Yeah. No smile, no light, nothing.

RN: You watch me smile in the last matches when I am on court? And you watched me the other matches of the week?

Q. Yes. Is the same.

RN: The same? So is nothing different. Just concentrate.

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Now I see why so many of the players blow off the press. Less than an hour after you come within a few points of beating the World #1 and winning Wimbledon, you have some idjit asking you why you weren&#39;t all puppies and rainbows during the match. :rolleyes: Has this guy ever seen Rafa play before?! Sheesh. Rafa always looks like a wary inmate or a serial killer out there, even in the matches he&#39;s dominating! The only times I&#39;ve ever seen him look (relatively) relaxed and cheerful on court have been his doubles matches.

CoCo2000
07-09-2007, 08:22 AM
Q. Yeah. No smile, no light, nothing.

Now I see why so many of the players blow off the press.[/b]
I don&#39;t remember ever seeing any tennis players smile while they are playing. I know most of them smile after winning. That was a really dumb question. Makes you wonder if the person asking is even a regular tennis viewer. :huh:


I thought this pic was cute:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070709/capt.efd69b42b75b4fe08a4f7dc20d52ace0.britain_wimb ledon_tennis_lon118.jpg

Did you guys see this video of an interview with Vee? I thought it was kinda funny, especially at the very end when she had the reporter laughing.

In the right sidebar under "Featured Tennis Videos," click on "One-on-one with Venus Williams" (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AvbsOcazIgpdEGFo4Rx8mJsgv7YF?slug=reu-rankingsdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns)

Chyna Black
07-09-2007, 08:28 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070709/capt.efd69b42b75b4fe08a4f7dc20d52ace0.britain_wimb ledon_tennis_lon118.jpg

In the right sidebar under "Featured Tennis Videos," click on "One-on-one with Venus Williams" (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AvbsOcazIgpdEGFo4Rx8mJsgv7YF?slug=reu-rankingsdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns)
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And how great is it that she was one of the outspoken women to speak on equal pay at Wimby turn around and become the first woman to benefit from that!

Got to give it to Roger he has a sense of smoothness about him. Everytime I see that Rolex commerical of him in slow motion makes me want to break the bank and get two of them!

marissasensei
07-09-2007, 12:13 PM
Jankovic and Baggy are the only players I can think of that are always smiling on the court (well, unless you count Martina Hingis&#39; Chucky grin). But Rafa? He never smiles. I&#39;m surprised that reporter didn&#39;t ask Rafa whether he&#39;d changed the type of underwear he wore for today&#39;s match, what with all the, umm, adjusting he did. :rolleyes:

Thanks for interview clip of Venus. Interesting -- that article mentioned that Djokovic is up to #3 in the world now. I don&#39;t see Andy getting back to that spot, now that he&#39;s been passed by a guy who is an all-surface player; Roddick simply leaves too many points on the table during the claycourt season. And now that Kolya has discovered that he can play on grass, he will probably also pass Roddick too, sometime during the hardcourt season. If Murray and Reeshard can get their stuff together, mentally and fitness-wise, one or both of them will pass Roddick soon too.

Yes, Roger is definitely a case where the whole is more than the sum of its parts. Slight bitter beer face, withered-looking left arm, slight paunch, but put a suit on him and *Rawr.*

CoCo2000
07-10-2007, 08:29 PM
A friend sent me this video of Vee having fun, but the lighting is not that great. It is still pretty funny, though. I guess she really liked that song! :lol:

Also, there were other related videos on the youtube page and on one that shows her accepting an award, I just don&#39;t know what to say about her hair on that one. I :wub: my girl, but I was like :huh: .

Venus getting down after an event (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t65C-6SagFs)

Chyna Black
07-11-2007, 07:45 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ^^^^ That hurt me!!! Get down Vee, get down!!

In case you all were wondering Kim is getting married Saturday and she is pregnate....just to let you true die hard fans of Clijsters know what is going on with her lately..... :P

marissasensei
07-11-2007, 11:34 AM
^^^

Congrats to Kim. Wow, she wasn&#39;t joking when she said she was ready to start popping out babies, huh? How far along is she (I&#39;m wondering if the pregnancy was behind the sudden retirement announcement)?

Chyna Black
07-11-2007, 11:41 AM
I am not sure how far along she is right now, but based on the article I read this morning she got PG right after she retired.

Guess they couldn&#39;t wait until the honeymoon........

Also read this:

"Serena Williams has withdrawn from next week&#39;s Western & Southern Financial Group Women&#39;s Open due to a hand injury she suffered at Wimbledon, tournament officials said Tuesday.
Bruce Flory, director for the women&#39;s open in this Cincinnati suburb, said Williams told officials Tuesday that she regretted she would not be able to play in the open.

"When we saw Serena with a splint on her hand while watching her sister play in the Wimbledon final, we knew there was a chance she wouldn&#39;t be able to play here," said Flory. "She said she really enjoyed herself here last year, appreciated the great crowd support she received and hopes to play here again next year." "

I hope she heals soon and plays more tennis this year. Would love to see her and Vee at the US Open but of course I need my girl in the best health....

CoCo2000
07-11-2007, 12:10 PM
(I&#39;m wondering if the pregnancy was behind the sudden retirement announcement)?
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An article I read this morning said the baby is due in January, so it&#39;s possible. I&#39;m going to try and find a link to the story and post it later.

I liked Kim on the tour because she always seemed to be so nice and respectful to the other players, unlike her Belgium counterpart. Sometimes, though, I think she was a little too nice on the court because players she should have beaten would end up beating her in big matches. There were a couple of GS titles she lost to JH that I think she should have won.

Anyhoo, hopefully, she and her husband-to-be will be very happy with each other and their new family. :)

CoCo2000
07-15-2007, 05:47 PM
Just wanted to share a couple of photos of Vee&#39;s natural hair :wub: (again) during her Fed Cup action this weekend.

http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_4049_gallery.GIF

http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_4048_gallery.GIF

Chyna Black
07-16-2007, 09:35 AM
Just wanted to share a couple of photos of Vee&#39;s natural hair :wub: (again) during her Fed Cup action this weekend.

http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_4049_gallery.GIF

http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_4048_gallery.GIF
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Now see I love her fro! She should wear it out more often. Too bad the Russians beat them..... :(

CoCo2000
07-16-2007, 08:45 PM
Too bad the Russians beat them..... :(
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If Vee would have had even a little help from another teammate, it would not have ended that way. Too bad she was only allowed to play two of the four singles matches. ;)

CoCo2000
07-17-2007, 02:43 PM
Okay, why is it that I feel the need to share any and every bit of tennis news on this site as soon as I find out about it?? :lol:

Davenport Mulling Comeback After Birth of First Child (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=ap-davenportsfuture&prov=ap&type=lgns)

ashta
07-17-2007, 05:59 PM
hello all :D

why does v break out the natural hair during fed cup and not at regular tournaments?

and, i think it&#39;s so cool for davenport to consider coming back after pregnancy. it&#39;s good for women and women&#39;s sports.

i&#39;m hoping serena is healthy enough to play the los angeles tournament in august. even my mother said she wanted to go. which was pretty shocking for me.

MsShel330
07-17-2007, 08:05 PM
Slightly OT: did you ladies see the short interview with James Blake in August&#39;s Essence? They mention his book (on page 73) and he give a few comments.

marissasensei
07-18-2007, 05:17 AM
Okay, why is it that I feel the need to share any and every bit of tennis news on this site as soon as I find out about it?? :lol:

Davenport Mulling Comeback After Birth of First Child (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=ap-davenportsfuture&prov=ap&type=lgns)
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I would love to see Lindsay come back and show them (i.e., KIM) how it&#39;s done. :D

CoCo2000
07-18-2007, 08:06 AM
hello all :D
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**waves at ashta** Hey, Girl! Your input has definitely been missed around here! :)




why does v break out the natural hair during fed cup and not at regular tournaments?

and, i think it&#39;s so cool for davenport to consider coming back after pregnancy. it&#39;s good for women and women&#39;s sports.
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I was thinking the same thing about Venus, especially when a friend told me she saw an interview with her on Friday and Vee had a scarf on her head. I asked if it was a headwrap, but my friend said it wasn&#39;t. I still told her that I&#39;ll bet it was and that Vee was going to wear her natural hair for the weekend, and lo and behold.......she did! :)



Slightly OT: did you ladies see the short interview with James Blake in August&#39;s Essence? They mention his book (on page 73) and he give a few comments. [/b]
Thanks for the info. I haven&#39;t read Essence in a while, but I&#39;m going to try to find the article online.

GurlwithCurls
07-18-2007, 12:02 PM
It would be awesome if Lindsay made a comeback after childbirth. At the time that she left, she was in pretty good health. Her aggressive game style is short on running so I think she could be healthy enough to play for a couple more years.

As for Fed Cup, I&#39;m not surprised Russia won. Their team is very deep, and Venus can&#39;t win it by herself. She gave us everything she&#39;s got for the past 3 weeks (Wimby and Fed Cup) so good on her for playing! I think Russia will beat Italy pretty handily too in the final.

The ATP tourny in LA is happening this week and TTC will have coverage starting on Friday.

Chyna Black
07-18-2007, 01:45 PM
:D :D Hello Ashta!! Missed you!!!

Okay I thought Lindsay had back problems before she got pregnate. It would be great to see her back on tour and I get a feeling she wants to pull a Williams. Along the lines of comeback saga...

I have that issue of Essence but I haven&#39;t read the article with Blake. I know his book is out, maybe I will pick it up, maybe not....

"The ATP tourny in LA is happening this week and TTC will have coverage starting on Friday."

Another reason for me to be :Angry: about not having the TTC......

CoCo2000
07-18-2007, 06:46 PM
"The ATP tourny in LA is happening this week and TTC will have coverage starting on Friday."

Another reason for me to be :Angry: about not having the TTC......
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Girl, I don&#39;t even have cable, but I watched most of the matches during Wimby and the FO........thanks to those links posted by GurlwithCurls. :)

Maybe they will work for this week&#39;s tournament. I will check it out and let you know. ;)

ashta
07-18-2007, 11:02 PM
:D :D Hello Ashta!! Missed you!!!

Okay I thought Lindsay had back problems before she got pregnate. It would be great to see her back on tour and I get a feeling she wants to pull a Williams. Along the lines of comeback saga...

I have that issue of Essence but I haven&#39;t read the article with Blake. I know his book is out, maybe I will pick it up, maybe not....

"The ATP tourny in LA is happening this week and TTC will have coverage starting on Friday."

Another reason for me to be :Angry: about not having the TTC......
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hello. i think that james blake book might be a :yawn2: . he was on the tonight show a couple of days ago. and he was a :yawn2:. but in what issue of essence is he in?

Chyna Black
07-20-2007, 08:05 AM
Really in the August issue of Essence they just discuss his book coming out, my bad. Not an article. He was on some other mag cover, and I guess I thought it was a black mag. Or on a website I was going thru.
I think ESPN was talking to him and I saw a video somewhere. Too much media for me has me confused....

GurlwithCurls
07-20-2007, 10:56 AM
Ladies! Apparently ESPN2 is also showing some of the LA tournament.

Friday, July 20
4:30-6:30 p.m. ET singles quarterfinal (live)

Saturday, July 21
2:30-4:30 p.m. ET singles semifinal #1 (live)

Sunday, July 22
5:00-7:00 p.m. ET singles final (live)

TTC will show the quarterfinals and semifinal that do not air in ESPN2.

Cheers!

Chyna Black
07-20-2007, 12:38 PM
^^^^You are truly a Diamond in the Nappy!!

Thanks Gurls!!! Now to plot and get the folks out my house tonight!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

So the old men are coming to my neck of the woods to play a little tennis on Sunday afternoon. I could not get my sisters to agree to go with me so I am going at it alone. Pete Sampras and John McEnroe are playing against each other. I am excited!! :D ^_^ ^_^ :yes: :yes:

CoCo2000
07-21-2007, 09:03 AM
Ladies! Apparently ESPN2 is also showing some of the LA tournament.

Saturday, July 21
2:30-4:30 p.m. ET singles semifinal #1 (live)
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Okay, see, now I have to change my afternoon schedule to include a visit to the home of a relative who has cable! ;)

Thanks, again.......oh knowledgeable one of all things tennis! :lol:

@Chyna Black
I am definitely pulling for Pete in that one, mainly because I really, really like him (always have) and I really, really don&#39;t like McEnroe!! :P

Chyna Black
07-23-2007, 12:13 PM
Sampras did win the match, unfortunately because I was braiding my little sister&#39;s big ole head I didn&#39;t go.

At first I was disappointed, then she paid me all was well in my world..... :lol: :lol: (Yes I do charge family members to do anything their hair.....) :D

So what is going on with the Booty(for new comers James Blake) these days? He has gone without a win for a hot minute now and of course the so called pros say he is not focused on tennis these days.

Since Arkansas is proving to be backwards, I didn&#39;t catch the final he played. Did he put up a fight?

ashta
07-23-2007, 12:45 PM
he lost to radek stepanek. he lost to radek stepanek. :rolleyes:

ashta
07-23-2007, 01:04 PM
why ashta doesn&#39;t like weak*ssjames blake, as conveyed by toure....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/books/re...oks&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/books/review/Toure-t.html?_r=1&ref=books&oref=slogin)


July 22, 2007
Tennis Nonwhites
By TOURÉ
Skip to next paragraph
CHARGING THE NET
A History of Blacks in Tennis From Althea Gibson and Arthur Ashe to the Williams Sisters.
By Cecil Harris and Larryette Kyle-DeBose.

Illustrated. 267 pp. Ivan R. Dee. $26.95.
From the start of their professional tennis careers, Venus and Serena Williams seemed totally certain they were champions; they marched through the tennis world with the ferocity of the young Mike Tyson. James Blake was No. 9 in the world at the conclusion of Wimbledon this month; late last year he was No. 4. But only twice in his career has he reached a Grand Slam quarterfinal, and many have long sensed that his potential has been limited because he doesn’t truly believe he belongs in big-time tennis. He’s cursed with the unsureness of Dave Chappelle. Blake confirms this in his memoir, “Breaking Back” (written with Andrew Friedman), when, early in his career, he drops a winnable match to the great Patrick Rafter. “After the match, as we shook hands at the net, he leaned in close, the zinc oxide he smeared under his eyes like war paint runny with sweat: ‘You could have beaten me today,’ he said, surprising me, ‘but I had the sense that maybe you didn’t believe it yourself.’ He paused, then said, ‘Now do you believe?’ ... He perceived something about me that I wasn’t even admitting to myself: I didn’t really believe that I belonged out there with the best players in the world. I didn’t feel like I deserved to win.”

Blake is easily the best African-American male player since Arthur Ashe, but “Breaking Back” is about more than tennis and race. That’s because Blake, like Ashe, is smarter and deeper than most athletes, and also because in 2004 Blake lived his own year of magical thinking. First, in a freak accident on a wet clay court in Rome, as he ran for a drop shot he tripped and flew headfirst toward the net post. He turned his head at the last second and dodged paralysis by inches, crashing into the steel pole with his neck. “I wanted to do a quick analysis of the situation, but my mind was whirring much too quickly. I was strangely disconnected from the world around me, in a place beyond pain and discomfort. I hadn’t quite blacked out, but my eyes were closed and the darkness was comforting, transporting. Deep down, almost subconsciously, I was aware that I had just suffered a serious injury, and that once I opened my eyes, there was a terrible reality to be confronted. So I lingered in the darkness, putting off the inevitable for just a few seconds.” His neck broken, Blake returned to his hometown in Connecticut to spend time with his father, who was dying of stomach cancer. After his death, Blake developed zoster (shingles), which paralyzed the left side of his face. He ended up going back to tennis’s minor leagues, the Challenger Series, to get his career going again. Soon he was back in the majors, with more confidence and maturity. Valiantly he took Andre Agassi to a fifth-set tie breaker in the quarters of the United States Open in 2005. Blake lost that winnable match, but he was able to force a fifth-set breaker, he says, because of what he had gleaned from his travails. He didn’t get down on himself when bad things happened on the court, because he remembered his father’s strength and also because he embraced something Pete Sampras had told him: “You have to have a short memory.” You have to have the in-game amnesia that all athletes need to thrive. Now that Blake is developing it, maybe he’ll finally win a Slam.

The problem with memoirs by active athletes is that guys still in the locker room feel bound to keep that world a secret, and Blake is no different. I longed for a few stories from behind the scenes about Andy Roddick, Rafael Nadal, even that rascal Vince Spadea, but no. Blake says: “The ATP Tour is like a kind of traveling neverland, where no one forces you to grow up. So a lot of the guys are indistinguishable from overgrown adolescents.” But he never elaborates. Early in his career, during a tough match at the United States Open, his opponent, Lleyton Hewitt, suggested that a black linesman was making calls in favor of Blake because of their shared race. I was hoping for a fuller story from Blake, but no.

Curiously, Blake gives the slightly fuller telling of that story to Cecil Harris and Larryette Kyle-DeBose for their history of black tennis, “Charging the Net.” Blake tells them: “We talked about it in the locker room, and he did apologize. ... He said he didn’t mean for it to come out the way it did. ... I knew we would both be on the tour for a long time, and I told him that if he said anything like that again, I wouldn’t be so kind.”

“Charging the Net” is a wide-ranging history, built on more than 65 interviews, that tells in-depth stories about the lives of black tennis stars like Venus and Serena; Arthur Ashe; Althea Gibson, the Wimbledon champ from Harlem who ended up broke, reclusive and bitter; and Zina Garrison, the Wimbledon finalist who, during her career, was dragged down by bulimia and a husband who, she says, encouraged her to stay on the tour so he could continue his affair with one of her friends. The authors cover the tennis diaspora, discussing famous umpires like Cecil Hollins, who feels he was kept from advancement by racism; legendary coaches like Dr. Robert Johnson, who molded Ashe; and the French stars Yannick Noah and Gael Monfils. There are some strange choices — they barely mention two Africans now on the tour, Hicham Arazi and Younes el-Aynaoui, both from Morocco, but give several pages to the Wimbledon winner Evonne Goolagong, an Australian aborigine. Aborigines may be oppressed and darker-skinned, but does that make them black? The original Australians are no blacker than, say, Vijay Amritraj of India, who played in the ’70s and ’80s and acted opposite Roger Moore in “Octo*****.” Alas, he’s not in the book. The authors claim that a black man named Edgar Brown “is credited by some with introducing topspin” around 1900. The International Tennis Hall of Fame and serious tennis historians recognize Herbert Lawford, Wimbledon champ in 1887, as the introducer of topspin, but maybe they’re just racist.

Whereas Blake glosses over the subject of race, Harris, a sportswriter, and Kyle-DeBose, an author and photojournalist, make racism a recurring theme, arguing that it has dealt a devastating blow to black tennis dreams. They write, “The unspoken but persistent vibe that you are not welcome, that others would be happier if you went away, a vibe that black tennis players have sensed on the main tour for decades, makes it difficult to find the rhythm and comfort zone needed to perform at your best.” Leslie Allen, who played on the women’s tour in the ’80s, when players frequently stayed with host families rather than in hotels, says housing was often hard to find: “I’d go to a tournament where the family wanted to house the No. 1 seed. But when that family found out that the No. 1 seed was me, then suddenly the housing disappeared.” The great coach John Wilkerson, who taught Garrison, says black players (in the authors’ words) “have not won more major championships because too many of them believe deep down that they don’t belong in the sport.” Apparently, the feeling that’s held Blake back has held back many.

Touré is the author of “Never Drank the Kool-Aid.” He was once ranked No. 1 in the men’s division of the American Tennis Association.

GurlwithCurls
07-23-2007, 01:50 PM
That article reminds me of how much I loved Patrick Rafter :wub:

James Blake is past his prime. I think he&#39;s a solid top 20 player, no more. The sports media rides him for underachieving but I think he&#39;s gotten everything he can out of his talent. He&#39;s a big hitter but doesn&#39;t have much going on upstairs.

Chyna Black
07-24-2007, 08:32 AM
And there it is, he simply does not believe he should be out there playing with the big boys. He is scared of his place in history. Wow an example of a talented person who refuses to believe in their talent.

So I guess I will send out postive vibes to the universal for the young talent of Donald Young and pray that he can embrace a place in the world of tennis. Not just as the next great African American tennis player but as a great tennis player. Although I guess it depends on who he describes himself and what he hopes to accomplish during his career. I read he plans to play the US Open as a junior. He will be 18, if not all ready, but can finish the year as a junior player. Correct?

ashta
07-24-2007, 10:47 AM
i kinda think this is the last year donald can be a junior. i was glad to see he won wimbledon. that was fantastic - esp. after that depressing nytimes story.

i&#39;m hoping it works out for him.

for me, blake needs to embrace his inner black man, hang out with some black athletes that don&#39;t get into trouble and stop caring about what white folk think about him. just do something - change your coach...
i just feel like he&#39;s afraid to alienate white people. he really bothers me. esp. after that pony show he put on for andre agassi when he retired - dressing like the guy and acting like it was ok that he didn&#39;t win. what are you doing out there? ugh.

GurlwithCurls
07-24-2007, 01:27 PM
Donald Young hopefully will grow a bit more and put on some muscle mass. He is a small guy. That&#39;s his main problem and why he&#39;s had disastrous results on the pro-tour, he can&#39;t handle the hard hitting from the big guns. He&#39;s very talented, great hands and variety (kind of like a young John MacEnroe) but I think there are players on the WTA that hit harder than him! He&#39;s 18 but he still has time for a growth spurt, I hope he gets a little bigger.

Blake has been with his coach since he was 12. He&#39;ll never leave him.

The USO series is pretty boring until the next masters series event (I think its Montreal?) which should happen in I think 2 weeks. That&#39;s when all the big guns will be back (Fed, Nadal, Djoko, Baggy et al). For now its the smaller tournies where dudes like Blake, Roddick and Stepanek fight for titles while the top 5 are away. I wonder how many tournies Serena and Venus will play before the USO (knowing them, maybe 1 ;) ).

ashta
07-24-2007, 01:41 PM
i think serena might play the los angeles tournament next week. v might be playing the tournament in san diego starting this weekend.

i think they are in los angeles right now - just saw some pics of v at ucla, looking pretty haught i might add.

i think as long as they are not injured, they are pretty determined to play if only to raise their rankings. i&#39;m sure serena does not want to see a repeat of the french or wimbledon in the quarterfinals. she needs to raise her ranking to help prevent that from happening again.

los angeles tournament will be a tough field though. jankovic, pova, petrova, hingis, peer, golovin and serena are supposed to be there. i&#39;m gonna have to get my tickets.

marissasensei
07-25-2007, 05:25 AM
I read he plans to play the US Open as a junior. He will be 18, if not all ready, but can finish the year as a junior player. Correct?
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Yep, this is the last year he can play as a junior. Hopefully, he will hit the weight room in the offseason. If he doesn&#39;t get a little more weight behind his shots, the big boys will blow him off the court next year. :(

CoCo2000
07-26-2007, 11:45 AM
Charging the Net sounds interesting. I might have to add that one to my list of books to buy.



for me, blake needs to embrace his inner black man.........i just feel like he&#39;s afraid to alienate white people. he really bothers me. esp. after that pony show he put on for andre agassi when he retired - dressing like the guy and acting like it was ok that he didn&#39;t win. what are you doing out there? ugh.
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maybe that explains why he is always kissing up to Roddick whenever he gives an interview. I find myself rushing to mute the tv whenever he is interviewed these days because it irked me to no end the way he finds a way to compliment Andy whenever a microphone is in front of him. <_<

On a more pleasant note, did you guys see this photo:

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Features/Photo_Galleries/TENNIS_Gallery/2007_05_06_NoahRoyal_week.jpg

(I wish I knew how to crop people out of an online photo because I would have just posted the photo of Yannick and cropped the other two people out of it! :lol: ) Okay, ask me why I spent over 15 minutes viewing photos after seeing the one above with Noah in it? Anyhoo, I saw this one and was like :huh: Do they really like each other or what?
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Features/Photo_Galleries/TENNIS_Gallery/2007_04_29_CanasCalleri_week.jpg

GurlwithCurls
07-26-2007, 04:02 PM
:lol: Sometimes players&#39; greetings at the net are very "Kodak moment". From the little bun/ponytail, one of the guys appears to be Willie Canas. Check out this photo taken after these two played the Wimbledon final. Or did they just exchange vows?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8494/weddingzz3.jpg

"Roger, the baby is kicking. It is my baby, no?"

:lol:

ashta
07-26-2007, 04:43 PM
yannick is still attractive.

CoCo2000
07-26-2007, 11:39 PM
"Roger, the baby is kicking. It is my baby, no?"
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:lol: Too funny!!!



yannick is still attractive.
[/b]I know, right??

Did a quick google image search on him and couldn&#39;t resist sharing these:
http://www.cameroun-plus.com/news/n0218/img01.jpg
http://www.legalsounds.com/legalsounds/upload/Artist/4380-170x170.jpg
http://www.parislogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/yannick-noah.jpg
When I saw that last one, I was like :blush: . Am I the only one who did not know that he has had a reasonably successful singing career for the last few years?

Has anyone actually heard him sing? If so, is he any good? Or, just eye candy? ;)

On another topic:
since Bartoli lost her match, I don&#39;t have a preference as far as who wins and I really have no interest in following the rest of the Bank of the West tournament. That&#39;s wrong, huh? Oh, well, next tournament, please!

marissasensei
07-27-2007, 12:33 AM
:lol: Sometimes players&#39; greetings at the net are very "Kodak moment". From the little bun/ponytail, one of the guys appears to be Willie Canas. [/b]

Yep, those look like ****&#39;s buns. ;)


Check out this photo taken after these two played the Wimbledon final. Or did they just exchange vows?[/b]

Awwwww at the pic. And *DEAD* at the caption. I love Rafa English!

Chyna Black
07-27-2007, 07:47 AM
:lol:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8494/weddingzz3.jpg

"Roger, the baby is kicking. It is my baby, no?"

:lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Too funny!!!

marissasensei
07-27-2007, 12:13 PM
Sad article re: Jennifer Capriati (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/07/15/2007-07-15_match_of_her_life.html)

Makes me appreciate Vee and Serena&#39;s outside interests a bit more. :(

Chyna Black
07-27-2007, 01:54 PM
"As the conversation turns to her greatest moments - the Olympic gold medal 15 years ago, the Grand Slam triumphs - Capriati stops, and her eyes well up. "I&#39;m thinking I&#39;m never going to have those highs again. Nothing is ever going to measure up to that again. But I know it&#39;s not true. I can find another high, whether it&#39;s a family, something I&#39;m passionate about. Now I don&#39;t have anyone telling me what to do. I don&#39;t have to answer to anyone anymore. Now this is my time to shine." "


This country does such a terrible job addressing and dealing with mental health. Well I will not jack the thread with my issues on all of that.

My mother, who is a sports guru, saids that all athletes need outside interests along with back up plans. We talked about people being so driven about being successful in one area that when your body lets you do, you have to call on your mind or other talents just to stay sane. The critics put down folks with other interests but really they need something outside of their professions to be well rounded.

Good article in the fact that hopefully the sports world and some of us fans will stop see athletes as one dimensional in their lives.

Chyna Black
07-31-2007, 07:27 AM
Venus is playing in San Diego!!! Venus won the first round 6-3, 6-0. :D

"I don&#39;t think I started that fast; I made too many unforced errors and gave her too many points on her serve," Williams declared. "But I was really trying to be aggressive, which was good. It’s been good for me in a way that I&#39;ve played so many matches, because my game has gotten better. My serve is better."

She has won here three times and I do enjoy it when the WS play other tournments. :wub:

Now where is my girl Serena? Rumor has it she will be posing nude for a magazine sometime this month. I also peeped a few more recent pictures of her out and about she seems to be losing more weight. Still unsure about her thumb/wrist injury. So if ya&#39;ll hear something different let me in on it!!!!!!!! ^_^

CoCo2000
07-31-2007, 07:37 AM
I&#39;ve never been a fan of Capriati, but that was a pretty sad article about her and I felt sad for her situation.



It would be awesome if Lindsay made a comeback after childbirth. [/b]
I&#39;ve been missing our tennis discussions, but I had to take a minute to share this:

Davenport to return to singles tennis in September (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AlWY1U7kx2fRmz3pAPr3Pkg4v7YF?slug=ap-davenport-return&prov=ap&type=lgns) :)

I see our girl, Vee decided to wear her shorts again for this tournament. It&#39;s pretty funny to me to see her in shorts. Hopefully, we will be able to catch at least a couple of matches of the Acura Classic this weekend. I found this TV schedule from their website:

Friday August 3
QUARTERFINALS 11:00 AM PT/2:00 PM ET Tennis Channel
8:00 PM PT/11:00 PM ET ESPN2

Saturday August 4
SEMIFINALS 1:00 PM PT/4:00 PM ET Tennis Channel
8:00 PM PT/11:00 PM ET ESPN2

Sunday August 5
FINALS 2:00 PM PT/5 PM ET ESPN2
DOUBLES FINALS 7:00 PM PT/10:00 PM ET Tennis Channel

ashta
07-31-2007, 10:29 AM
sad story on cap. really sad.

i&#39;m now looking into tickets for the l.a. tournament which is turning out to have the top players - jankovic, pova, ivanovic...and hopefully rena.

tickets ain&#39;t cheap though. and it&#39;s hard to figure out which days to buy since players can be so fickle. i&#39;m thinking they&#39;ll want to do well here though. i&#39;m thinking one of the semi sessions and a final.

GurlwithCurls
07-31-2007, 12:15 PM
The San Diego tournament that&#39;s going on this week has a great field. I foresee a Venus-Jankovic final. I read that its been 5 years since Venus won an outdoor hardcourt title :huh: unbelievable! It&#39;s her best surface after grass so I hope she comes through this week and builds a lot of momentum for the USO.

I don&#39;t know what&#39;s up with Serena. I can&#39;t believe that a sprained thumb would take this long to heal. I bet she&#39;ll squeeze in one tourny before the Open. I&#39;ll be going to Flushing Meadows too. I hope to see them both play! (along with some of my fave male players)

CoCo2000
07-31-2007, 08:32 PM
The San Diego tournament that&#39;s going on this week has a great field. I foresee a Venus-Jankovic final. [/b]
I don&#39;t know if Vee and Bartoli are on the same side of the draw or not (I can&#39;t tell from the bracket set up on the tournament&#39;s site :lol:), but if not, a rematch of the Wimby final would be fun to watch.



Now where is my girl Serena? Rumor has it she will be posing nude for a magazine sometime this month. [/b]
:huh: If this happens, it would totally surprise me.

MsShel330
08-01-2007, 07:37 AM
There were some partial nude pics of Serena (well, maybe completely nude but covered up) in one of the celeb hateration threads. I&#39;ll see if I can find the link.

GurlwithCurls
08-01-2007, 09:00 AM
Serena along with a few other celebs posed nude (with naughty bits covered up) for charity in the final issue of Jane Magazine which is out this month.

Chyna Black
08-01-2007, 01:11 PM
I did see the pics online, and I thought she look-ed great. Her back is what mine wants to be after I commit to a clean work out and healthy living. She is naked with a flower covering her back side and some silver shoes.

Anyway thanks CoCo I will be checking out the Acura Classic site to see the scores. Plus watching it over the weekend.

ashta
08-01-2007, 05:30 PM
serena&#39;s not playing l.a. :Angry:

marissasensei
08-02-2007, 12:27 AM
Just google for "Serena" and "Jane Magazine" and you&#39;ll come across a lot of links to the near-nekkid Serena pic.

As for the actual pic, I&#39;m not a fan.

GurlwithCurls
08-02-2007, 08:41 AM
Just google for "Serena" and "Jane Magazine" and you&#39;ll come across a lot of links to the near-nekkid Serena pic.

As for the actual pic, I&#39;m not a fan.[/b]

Me neither. I don&#39;t like the pose. I thought the other nude pics in the article were much nicer.

Maybe Serena will play Toronto. She has got to play at least one tournament before the Open, if she&#39;s serious about trying to win it.

Chyna Black
08-02-2007, 12:18 PM
I will proudly stand alone in the liking of her picture! I am a loner!! :D I do agree Gurl she needs to play some more tennis soon, at least one she has three more weeks, come on Serena!!!

Oh today is the good day to be in San Diego

Bartoli vs Dementieva
Shriek vs Golovin (Not really a Golovin fan, but I think she could win...)
VW vs Hantuchova!

I want to see, I want to see. I guess the winners will give me some decent matches once its broadcast.

ashta
08-02-2007, 12:53 PM
I will proudly stand alone in the liking of her picture! I am a loner!! :D I do agree Gurl she needs to play some more tennis soon, at least one she has three more weeks, come on Serena!!!

Oh today is the good day to be in San Diego

Bartoli vs Dementieva
Shriek vs Golovin (Not really a Golovin fan, but I think she could win...)
VW vs Hantuchova!

I want to see, I want to see. I guess the winners will give me some decent matches once its broadcast.
[/b]


i predict hantuchova will be going down, down, down...

GurlwithCurls
08-02-2007, 02:44 PM
Have any of you been following Sania Mirza? She&#39;s on quite a run this summer (finals of Stanford last week, semis of Cincinnati the week before, and today she just thrashed Dinara Safina and is in the quarters of the Acura). Besides being one of the smarter, more engaging players, she just really interesting-- she&#39;s India&#39;s highest ranked female tennis player ever, and her level of fame in her native country is insane (she needs 24-hour security when she&#39;s home). At one point she even endured death threats from Muslim extremists over the skimpy tennis attire she needs to wear. I love seeing players from countries that don&#39;t have strong tennis traditions do well. She made a splash two years ago and kind of faded, but now she&#39;s just back from injury and is playing great. She hits her forehand with shocking pace (when she can cotnrol it) but her serve is a real weakness. Her biggest problem is consistency, but when she&#39;s dialed in she&#39;s hard to beat. Anyways she&#39;s been beating top 20 players left and right and could cause some upsets at the US Open.

She may potentially play Sharapova in her next round. That would be interesting.

So many exciting storylines for the next slam. Is it August 27th yet? :D

Chyna Black
08-02-2007, 03:04 PM
^^^Oh yes she play Anna Chak......<because I can&#39;t front on that spelling).. at the Stanford final, right?

I am with you Gurl, I like to see other players sneak up on folks that people expect to win and take home the glory!!

ashta
08-03-2007, 06:13 AM
glad to see kirilenko beat jankovic.

and of course v squished hantuchova - 60, 63. pretty convincing.

and v is gonna drop kick chakvetadze.

Chyna Black
08-03-2007, 07:33 AM
Ashta you are always on the money! How are you at picking horses? :blush:

So from the look of the remaining ladies, Vee could easily take this thang at the rate she is playing lately. Love it!!! I have no fear that Serena will play something before the open now especially when her sister wins this one, they seem to show up after the other does well somewhere.

Oh the excitement, now I am leaning on Vee winning the US Open because she needs to start catching up with baby sis with open titles.

Have yall checked out how fast she has been serving? WOOO....... :D

CoCo2000
08-03-2007, 09:02 AM
I was surprised to see that Jankovic lost, but not saddened over it, as was the case with Bartoli&#39;s loss. I was looking forward to seeing her go as far as possible. That is, of course, until it was time for her to play our girl. :)

I am probably going to spend the night at my mother&#39;s tonight because I would like to see some of the matches scheduled for today.

Regarding the DC tournament: I know there are a lot of Safin fans here, but I am hoping Monfils can pull the upset in their match today.

ashta
08-03-2007, 11:18 AM
safin has been a disappointment to his fans for so long, there&#39;s no point in him breaking his streak of disappointmenting losses. a zebra can&#39;t change his stripes. :D sorry marissa...but he is still cute. i think if he were less cute, he&#39;d have actually lived up to some of his potential. oh well, allez monfils.

anyway, i&#39;ve been over at wtaworld.com where folk are saying pova has worked out the kinks in her serve. and that it&#39;s lookin pretty good. hmmmm. i look forward to watching starting tonight!

@coco: i really think jankovic is one of those players who is definitely beatable, despite her ranking. to me, she has so many lapses and she sometimes doesn&#39;t close so i think a really strong confident top player can beat her. besides, jankovic plays a lot, so she could be fatigued. i don&#39;t know. she must be trying to make that money while she can cuz she doesn&#39;t really need to play so much.

@chyna: when i was a little girl, my father used to take me to the racetracks out here in los angeles. i used to win money from my own picks. ;)

GurlwithCurls
08-03-2007, 12:00 PM
@coco: i really think jankovic is one of those players who is definitely beatable, despite her ranking. to me, she has so many lapses and she sometimes doesn&#39;t close so i think a really strong confident top player can beat her. besides, jankovic plays a lot, so she could be fatigued. i don&#39;t know. she must be trying to make that money while she can cuz she doesn&#39;t really need to play so much. [/b]

I don&#39;t particularly like Jankovic so maybe I&#39;m biased. But to me she is not a top 3 player no matter what her ranking is. The real ballers, the ones who can win the slams, are Serena, Venus, Henin, Sharapova (despite her sucky year I can still see her making semis and finals consistently) and Ivanovic. She&#39;s just coming off a rare break, but generally speaking, she plays every damn week. Her ranking is inflated due to overplaying. And she really doesn&#39;t have any weapons. I&#39;ve been mystified by her success the last year. I think she&#39;s had the season of her life and will now have an inevitable mini-slump. I think she belongs in the #10-#15 range. If she manages to defend her semis points at the USO, then I guess I&#39;ll have to give her props.

I don&#39;t care who wins the Monfils/Marat match, but I think it could be entertaining. Two headcases. At the rate he&#39;s going, if Marat ever wins another tourny, I&#39;ll die happy.

Chyna Black
08-03-2007, 12:01 PM
What&#39;s the name of the racetrack in LA? I didn&#39;t know there was one out west. Good to know, so we have simulicasting in Hot Springs at Oaklawn. Pick me a winner, I got five on it!!! :D :D

So where are Roger and Rafa during these summer months? You think Monfils will beat Safin? Or are you saying you are not putting too much into Safin&#39;s matches lately because, well never mind that is what you saying.

JJ may need to rest for a minute. I don&#39;t understand her losing to lower rated players. She had a period of non belief, imo, now its time for her to really step it up and start winning bigger tourneys. But of my Serbia players I actually see Anna winning a slam before JJ.

CoCo2000
08-03-2007, 12:20 PM
The real ballers, the ones who can win the slams, are Serena, Venus, Henin, Sharapova (despite her sucky year I can still see her making semis and finals consistently) [/b]
Especially if she keeps getting the cotton-candy draws she&#39;s been getting all year long. <_<

Sorry, but I am just not a fan of hers at all, even though I felt a little sorry for her when Vee was putting it on her at Wimby.....just a little, though! :lol:

ashta
08-03-2007, 01:14 PM
What&#39;s the name of the racetrack in LA? I didn&#39;t know there was one out west. Good to know, so we have simulicasting in Hot Springs at Oaklawn. Pick me a winner, I got five on it!!! :D :D

So where are Roger and Rafa during these summer months? You think Monfils will beat Safin? Or are you saying you are not putting too much into Safin&#39;s matches lately because, well never mind that is what you saying.

JJ may need to rest for a minute. I don&#39;t understand her losing to lower rated players. She had a period of non belief, imo, now its time for her to really step it up and start winning bigger tourneys. But of my Serbia players I actually see Anna winning a slam before JJ.
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santa anita park and hollywood park. i may have gone to los alamitos. father&#39;s negligent behind used to send a 10-year old girl alone to the playground at the racetrack for crying out loud too. just an abduction waiting to happen. :D

i used to win by looking at the odds and then i learned a bit about the jockeys. some jockeys i&#39;d always go with. then i&#39;d look at the horses if i could.

i don&#39;t know if monfils will win, but i think he needs these kinds of wins for his confidence and his future.

ashta
08-03-2007, 01:33 PM
I don&#39;t particularly like Jankovic so maybe I&#39;m biased. But to me she is not a top 3 player no matter what her ranking is. The real ballers, the ones who can win the slams, are Serena, Venus, Henin, Sharapova (despite her sucky year I can still see her making semis and finals consistently) and Ivanovic. She&#39;s just coming off a rare break, but generally speaking, she plays every damn week. Her ranking is inflated due to overplaying. And she really doesn&#39;t have any weapons. I&#39;ve been mystified by her success the last year. I think she&#39;s had the season of her life and will now have an inevitable mini-slump. I think she belongs in the #10-#15 range. If she manages to defend her semis points at the USO, then I guess I&#39;ll have to give her props.

I don&#39;t care who wins the Monfils/Marat match, but I think it could be entertaining. Two headcases. At the rate he&#39;s going, if Marat ever wins another tourny, I&#39;ll die happy.
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well, i lost the stuff i wrote.

to me, i think a lot of the players are a bit overrated. not huge fans of lots of them.

chakvetadze. i don&#39;t understand this girl&#39;s rise. i was watching the match last weekend between hantuchova and chak and during the break, daniela told her coach it didn&#39;t seem like chak was doing anything. :lol: but she was winning. apparently she changes the pace up but man, why is she like #7 or something like that. when she goes up against bigger, stronger (mentally and phsyicall) players, she gets thumped.

jankovic. i don&#39;t think i get it. i mean, i kinda do get it - she has speed. but i don&#39;t really get it i don&#39;t think.

vaidisova. i think she has a great one-dimensional game. she&#39;s a mindless ball-basher and i like ball bashers mostly. i sorta like her. but she is weak-minded. she&#39;ll crumble.

ivanovic. she&#39;s just boring to me and i don&#39;t like the way she rolled over vs. justine at the french. she lost with a frickin wimper. bartoli lost to v but she didn&#39;t go out like some punk. i can&#39;t stand a weak player. just bothers me. that&#39;s why i like serena. girl just wants to beat yo *ss.

a young player i really like is tamira paszek. 16. youngest winner of a wta tour title. she played justine tough at the french open. i think she won more games against justine than any other player there. and she did well at wimbledon. i like her a lot. she&#39;s austrian (nationality) but her parents are something like Indian and white.

GurlwithCurls
08-03-2007, 02:36 PM
chakvetadze. i don&#39;t understand this girl&#39;s rise. i was watching the match last weekend between hantuchova and chak and during the break, daniela told her coach it didn&#39;t seem like chak was doing anything. :lol: but she was winning. apparently she changes the pace up but man, why is she like #7 or something like that. when she goes up against bigger, stronger (mentally and phsyicall) players, she gets thumped.
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Girl I have been trying to figure out Chakvetadze all year long. Talk about overranked. I think I figured it out: she&#39;s kinda like the Andy Murray of the WTA. She wins matches by throwing in a lot of junk balls, changing the pace and generally confusing the heck out of her opponents to the point where they play bad. She is a smart tactical player, but her strokes (especially her serve) are powder puff. So I guess she&#39;s good enough to beat the brainless ball bashers but can&#39;t beat the girls who can hit hard, are fast and capable of some variety. She also frequently cries on the court when she&#39;s losing, which I find very weird to watch.

In general I agree with all your player assessments except Ivanovic. I think she has the most complete game of the youngsters (one of the best serves and forehand, surprising variety). Her only problem right now if holding her nerve during pressure moments. She&#39;s done well all year except the FO final where she melted down. I think she&#39;ll get mentally stronger.

I saw Tamira Paszek play at the French. She also took out Dementieva at Wimbledon. She shows a LOT of promise.

Sania Mirza went down in flames to Shriekapova. I hope Venus makes it through to meet her in the semis (she plays Chaky tonight). She and Serena love beating up on some Russian pretenders, and I love watching them do it!

CoCo2000
08-03-2007, 02:39 PM
@coco: i really think jankovic is one of those players who is definitely beatable, despite her ranking.....jankovic plays a lot, so she could be fatigued. i don&#39;t know. she must be trying to make that money while she can cuz she doesn&#39;t really need to play so much. [/b]
ITA with the bolded part. This is why I was sick when Venus lost to her twice this year. I have noticed, too that she seems to be like most of the Russian players in that they seem to play in just about every tournament! I&#39;m sure they are making a lot of money in the process, but the travel alone that is necessary for this would really get to me!


well, i lost the stuff i wrote.[/b]
:( Sorry that happened to you, sis, but girl, I thought you knew rule numero UNO when writing a post (especially if it&#39;s more than two lines) on np.com: ALWAYS copy your post before adding or previewing it!! I :wub: :wub: :wub: np.com, but speaking from past experience, this is a must!! :lol:

Have you guys heard/read about this?Betting on Davydenko Match Being Investigated (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AtBOF4AxKpP4W2_etNtafQU4v7YF?slug=ap-bettingprobe&prov=ap&type=lgns)

(Edited to delete a repeat of something GWC just mentioned ^^^)

CoCo2000
08-03-2007, 03:58 PM
I found this TV schedule from their website:

Friday August 3
QUARTERFINALS 11:00 AM PT/2:00 PM ET Tennis Channel
8:00 PM PT/11:00 PM ET ESPN2

Saturday August 4
SEMIFINALS 1:00 PM PT/4:00 PM ET Tennis Channel
8:00 PM PT/11:00 PM ET ESPN2

Sunday August 5
FINALS 2:00 PM PT/5 PM ET ESPN2
DOUBLES FINALS 7:00 PM PT/10:00 PM ET Tennis Channel
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Okay, I just happened to check the TV Schedule while checking their site for scores and lo and behold, the times have changed! <_< Here is the schedule, as it is currently on their site:

2007 ACURA CLASSIC NEW BROADCAST TIMES

FRIDAY AUGUST 3 1:00PM TENNIS CHANNEL 1st Singles QF (TAPE DELAY)
3:00PM ESPN2 2nd Singles QF (TAPE DELAY)
7:00PM TENNIS CHANNEL Singles QF (LIVE)

SATURDAY AUGUST 4 1:00PM ESPN 1ST Singles SF (LIVE) FOLLOWED BY TENNIS CHANNEL Doubles SF
8:00 PM TENNIS CHANNEL 2nd Singles SF (TAPE DELAY)

SUNDAY AUGUST 5 2:00PM ESPN2 Singles Final (LIVE) FOLLOWED BY TENNIS CHANNEL Doubles Final

****All times are in Pacific Daylight Time****

Loomis Simmons
08-03-2007, 06:10 PM
I felt a little sorry for her when Vee was putting it on her at Wimby.....just a little, though![/b]

Not me. I can&#39;t stand looking at Sharapova&#39;s dog face. The only thing she&#39;s ever done of note is beat Serena at Wimbledon (2004?) Watching Serena whup dat azz at the Australian Open was better than Christmas.

ashta
08-03-2007, 10:56 PM
^^
well pova did when the 2006 us open and she was number 1 earlier this year. she has game and she&#39;s a serious competitor.

on another note, i cannot lie i am a little shocked that venus lost to chak. it was an error-filled but entertaining match. a nail-biter. v served for the match which is horrible - had it on her racket. i think she got bummed out after that and just tanked in the third losing it 6/1.

@gurl: chak was crying on one of the changeovers. :lol: she joins a growing list of loopy russian players - myskina, petrova, dementieva. i&#39;ll make patty schyder an honorary russian for kicks. i really wanted to see v vs. pova.




:( Sorry that happened to you, sis, but girl, I thought you knew rule numero UNO when writing a post (especially if it&#39;s more than two lines) on np.com: ALWAYS copy your post before adding or previewing it!! I :wub: :wub: :wub: np.com, but speaking from past experience, this is a must!! :lol:

Have you guys heard/read about this?Betting on Davydenko Match Being Investigated (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AtBOF4AxKpP4W2_etNtafQU4v7YF?slug=ap-bettingprobe&prov=ap&type=lgns)

(Edited to delete a repeat of something GWC just mentioned ^^^)
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i forgot. :D

GurlwithCurls
08-04-2007, 09:41 AM
I&#39;m totally confused by the tv schedule. I set up my DVR days ago, they went and changed everything and I barely got any tennis from what I recorded ;) Now the ESPN website says they will show the first Legg Mason semi at 2pm EST, followed by the first Acura semi at 4pm EST (Shrieky vs. Chak). Then second Legg Mason semi on TTC at 7:30, and second Acura semi on TTC at 10. But my DVR guide doesn&#39;t have those matches listed on TTC! :rolleyes: I&#39;m going to record several hours worth of stuff and I better get these matches somewhere in there or imma be ticked :Angry: Then the finals are supposed to be on ESPN2 tomorrow.

I&#39;m annoyed that Vee lost to Chaky because Chaky had basically given up in that second set until Vee doublefaulted on match point :Angry: then the Russian got a second wind. Anyways-- I don&#39;t dislike Chaky even though I can&#39;t figure out how she wins matches, I&#39;m kinda developing a soft spot since she&#39;s so loopy, she looks like a younger cuter Mary Pierce and her deep voice makes her sound like a Russian villain in a Bond movie. But she&#39;s got a mental block against Shriekapova, their matches are always terrible and Chaky always melts down at the sight of the "Face of Tennis" :rolleyes: on the other side of the net, so I expect Shrieky to slaughter her as usual and then win the tournament. I hope this time Chaky can pull out one of her Houdini acts like last night. I&#39;ve been enjoying the fact that Shrieky has been title-less all season.

I forgot about Dementieva, another totally nuts Russian who&#39;s in the other semi against Patty Schnyder. Dementieva also can&#39;t take Shrieky (for some reason all the Russians roll over at the sight of her), and Patty&#39;s choke-job against Shrieky at the French is still fresh. Ugh! Sharapova probably has this in the bag now <_< Venus blew a golden opportunity

ashta
08-04-2007, 11:15 AM
i&#39;m not made at chak either. i hope she beats pova. but i don&#39;t think she will. at the australian open, pova blew her off the court. chak looked like a hurt little animal. she did look like she was gonna cry. at the time, i didn&#39;t know that&#39;s what she normally did on the court.

CoCo2000
08-04-2007, 03:58 PM
*sigh*
I&#39;ve wanted to respond since this morning, but I&#39;ve been in a "sulky" mood (I remember one of you guys saying that re: a Serena loss earlier this season; now I know how you felt) ever since finding out Vee lost that match last night. I read an article where she said she was just exhausted and "maxed out" due to her schedule this summer, so I guess she is human. If only she could have just closed it out in that second set..... :(

@GurlwithCurls: I know exactly what you mean regarding those schedule changes! I just happened to be channel surfing before going to bed last night and couldn&#39;t remember the schedule I had last seen online, so decided to put the tv on the tennis channel at about 10 p.m. my time (C.S.T.). I became a little less sleepy when I saw the Venus/Chakv match, but I still fell asleep before it was over. When I did fall asleep, Venus was two games away from winning the second set, so I was really like :huh: this morning when I checked the final score. I just could not believe she lost that match!!! <_< Man, I was looking forward to her putting a beating on Shreika today. I&#39;m sure she was dancing in her sleep last night after finding out she did not have to play Venus and get embarrassed yet again!

I did notice that the atmosphere at this tournament was different from the last time I remember watching it because I&#39;ve never seen a player walk over to where their family/friends were seated the way Venus did last night during a break when she carried some of her things to give to them. I&#39;m not sure if that broke her concentration or not, but I know I&#39;ve never seen that happen before and it was pretty odd.

I hope the winner of the Sch/Dem match can hold it together well enough to beat Pova because I, too am enjoying her being title-less this year.

Chyna Black
08-04-2007, 06:19 PM
Glad to know that I am not alone in the fact that I am P.O. about Vee losing to Chak. She is tripping. Then Shriek puts a beat down on Chak, wth!!!!

:Angry:

And in my neck of the woods ESPN2 decided to change the programming to show Barry Bonds attempt to break the friggin record which by the way is working my last nerve.

Oh Venus just when I was about to up you up alittle with my love for the Williams sister you crack. WTH...

marissasensei
08-05-2007, 11:29 AM
safin has been a disappointment to his fans for so long, there&#39;s no point in him breaking his streak of disappointmenting losses. a zebra can&#39;t change his stripes.
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Basically. :( I don´t have any expectations for Marat anymore -- if he manages to string together 3 wins in a row (something he hasn´t done in what? a year?), I consider that an achievement. Such a waste, really. He has more talent in one pinky than 99% of the top players; it´s the mental part that has always been his Achilles´ heel. That said, I guess it´s partly his fault that I´m such a big fan of so many other players -- when Marat is your favorite, one must, by necessity, have spares to root for!

Chyna Black
08-06-2007, 08:22 AM
I know Serena will not be there, but will Vee play in L.A?

On the men&#39;s side its the Roger Masters!! Didn&#39;t Rafa win this one last year over Roger? Glad to know the big guns will be out for this one.

marissasensei
08-06-2007, 11:47 AM
I just saw on another website that for the Montreal masters, Rafa will be teaming up in doubles with . . .

*drum roll*

LLEYTON HEWITT

:D

I can´t help but grin like a huge dork at the thought of this pairing, though I´m bummed that it more than likely won´t be shown on TV here, even though it´s a Rafa match.

ETA: Know what one of the best things about living in Spain is (even if temporarily)? :lol: Aside from being able to watch tennis without having to listen to P-Mac, it´s watching television and seeing any of a half dozen commercials featuring Rafa¨s face; encouraging me to buy a KIA, a Timeforce Watch, Cola Cao (mmmmm!), Nike . . . There´s also a Gilette commercial here featuring Feds, Tiger Woods, and Thierry Henry (futbolista for Chelsea) . . . that´s also pretty damn cool! :D

ashta
08-06-2007, 02:27 PM
I just saw on another website that for the Montreal masters, Rafa will be teaming up in doubles with . . .

*drum roll*

LLEYTON HEWITT

:D

I can´t help but grin like a huge dork at the thought of this pairing, though I´m bummed that it more than likely won´t be shown on TV here, even though it´s a Rafa match.

ETA: Know what one of the best things about living in Spain is (even if temporarily)? :lol: Aside from being able to watch tennis without having to listen to P-Mac, it´s watching television and seeing any of a half dozen commercials featuring Rafa¨s face; encouraging me to buy a KIA, a Timeforce Watch, Cola Cao (mmmmm!), Nike . . . There´s also a Gilette commercial here featuring Feds, Tiger Woods, and Thierry Henry (futbolista for Chelsea) . . . that´s also pretty damn cool! :D
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ok that&#39;s it. i don&#39;t think i can root for rafa anymore. i detest leyton hewitt. yuck. can&#39;t believe rafa would actualy team with him.



I know Serena will not be there, but will Vee play in L.A?

On the men&#39;s side its the Roger Masters!! Didn&#39;t Rafa win this one last year over Roger? Glad to know the big guns will be out for this one.
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nope. :( that was supposed to be serena&#39;s tournament. :(

Chyna Black
08-06-2007, 02:54 PM
:Angry: Dammitt, how long does it take for thumb to heal? Come on now.....

Rafa and Hewit, uh, ewww. I no likey Hewitt. However the love for Rafa will overpower the dislike. Has Nadal been successful with anyone playing doubles? He seems to switch it up often.

marissasensei they are playing that Gilette commerical here. I like the men in black suits, very dreamy. Makes the Fed attractive to me. :)

marissasensei
08-06-2007, 03:05 PM
Baaah, I don´t know what I was thinking. Thierry Henry played for Arsenal, not Chelsea, though I guess it´s a moot point now b/c I think he joined one of the Spanish teams (either Barca or Real Madrid, but I´m too lazy to look it up!).

Oh well, I guess I still have the Rafa commercials to myself. LOL. *starts bopping to Cola Cao theme song* :lol:

ON topic: I actually don´t mind Hewitt so much, now that he´s become a hubby and father and mellowed out a little. On court, I still prefer him to Roddick.

CoCo2000
08-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Add my name to the list as someone who is a definite NON-fan of Hewitt. :icon_headshake:

Also, I don&#39;t know how I missed the posts regarding the magazine pics of Serena, but thanks for the information. Once again, I am the last to know because I rarely keep up with celebrity news outside of their performance on the court/field/film/whatever. I knew that if there are photos (of anyone or anything) to be found, someone on np.com will definitely provide a link to them! :lol:



I&#39;ll be going to Flushing Meadows too.[/b]
Don&#39;t know if you already have your tickets or not, but I just saw this on another forum:

From Fandango:

Dear Fandango Fan,

This year’s US Open is upon us and as a special offer for our fans we are offering $10 US Open Tickets for a limited time. Order now and see the US Open LIVE for the same price as a movie ticket!

Step 1: Click link below
Step 2: Select U.S. open games in Arthur Ashe Stadium
Step 3: Select number of tickets you want to purchase from the Promotions and Special Offers section
Step 4: Enter WFANDANGO in special offer code or password section
Step 5: Click look for tickets

Enjoy!!

http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/807197

ashta
08-06-2007, 04:06 PM
Baaah, I don´t know what I was thinking. Thierry Henry played for Arsenal, not Chelsea, though I guess it´s a moot point now b/c I think he joined one of the Spanish teams (either Barca or Real Madrid, but I´m too lazy to look it up!).

Oh well, I guess I still have the Rafa commercials to myself. LOL. *starts bopping to Cola Cao theme song* :lol:

ON topic: I actually don´t mind Hewitt so much, now that he´s become a hubby and father and mellowed out a little. On court, I still prefer him to Roddick.
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you&#39;re killin me marissa...you can&#39;t fall for that.



Add my name to the list as someone who is a definite NON-fan of Hewitt. :icon_headshake:

Also, I don&#39;t know how I missed the posts regarding the magazine pics of Serena, but thanks for the information. Once again, I am the last to know because I rarely keep up with celebrity news outside of their performance on the court/field/film/whatever. I knew that if there are photos (of anyone or anything) to be found, someone on np.com will definitely provide a link to them! :lol:
Don&#39;t know if you already have your tickets or not, but I just saw this on another forum:

From Fandango:

Dear Fandango Fan,

This year’s US Open is upon us and as a special offer for our fans we are offering $10 US Open Tickets for a limited time. Order now and see the US Open LIVE for the same price as a movie ticket!

Step 1: Click link below
Step 2: Select U.S. open games in Arthur Ashe Stadium
Step 3: Select number of tickets you want to purchase from the Promotions and Special Offers section
Step 4: Enter WFANDANGO in special offer code or password section
Step 5: Click look for tickets

Enjoy!!

http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/807197
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$10?!

are they not selling seats?

GurlwithCurls
08-07-2007, 08:44 AM
Thanks CoCo! But either I&#39;m doing something wrong or the promotion has expired because I can&#39;t seem to find $10 tix using the code :( I&#39;ll keep trying. I&#39;d pay full ticket price anyway, who am I kidding.

I would like another Roger-Rafa final in Toronto, with Rafa taking this one.

ashta
08-07-2007, 09:04 AM
you know, i&#39;m still pondering going to nyc to see the us open. i get these travel alerts and there are roundtrip flights from la to ny for $275! i&#39;m seriously considering a four-day trip. but i&#39;m not sure. in transition right now.

GurlwithCurls
08-07-2007, 02:11 PM
Video of a five year-old tennis prodigy (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=39ae4032-9691-4b4a-b14d-e064417f333f&p=Source_Today%20Show&t=m5&rf=http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/20107032&fg=)

:unsure:

I hope his parents have studied the Jennifer Capriati story. I don&#39;t know if a five year-old needs this much media attention. His parents seem sane, I hope they try to keep the kid pretty normal. On another note-- that family is an interesting study in genetics. I&#39;ve never seen such straight flaxen hair with tanned skin.

Safin and Nadal will play each other for the first time tomorrow. It better be on ESPN2!

marissasensei
08-07-2007, 02:21 PM
Safin and Nadal will play each other for the first time tomorrow. It better be on ESPN2!
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I know! *squeals* I might actually get to see part of this match! I woke up this morning and absentmindedly started flipping through channels when, to my shock, I came across the Hewitt/JC Ferrero match. After that match ended, they went back to children´s programming, so it was clear they´re just focusing on the Spaniards´matches. Here´s hoping that the match is early enough for me to catch it tomorrow morning! I think Marat could give Rafa a lot of trouble, the same way that Berdych, Blake, Gonzo, and other players like that can do on hardcourts. Either Marat will hit Rafa off the court, or it will be an UE-fest from Marat (complete with cursing and racquet tossing) because Rafa will get balls back that SHOULD be winners.

GurlwithCurls
08-07-2007, 03:00 PM
Either Marat will hit Rafa off the court, or it will be an UE-fest from Marat (complete with cursing and racquet tossing) because Rafa will get balls back that SHOULD be winners.
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I&#39;m predicting the scenario in bold. Rafa&#39;s retrieving will drive Marat bonkers and he&#39;ll start going for too much. But I wish my handsome Russian headcase lots &#39;o luck.

CoCo2000
08-08-2007, 08:52 AM
$10?!

are they not selling seats?
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I read about the $10 tickets on this website&#39;s forum:

www.slickdeals.net (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=577698&highlight=fandango)

I see that someone posted at 9:30 a.m. yesterday that they were able to get tickets at that price, but I also know that usually once a good deal is posted on this site, if you don&#39;t read about it within the first 10 to 15 mintues or less, you miss out on the deal because there are a LOT of greedy people on that site who buy far more of the items than they can use or sale for some strange reason. <_< Don&#39;t know if that was the case with the tickets or not, but I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if it were.

I was sad to see that Bartoli lost again yesterday. :( Maybe she needs to give her body a rest and this is her body&#39;s way of forcing her to do so! I wasn&#39;t sad to see that Mirza beat Hingis in the same tournament, though. ;)

Chyna Black
08-08-2007, 10:42 AM
I was sad to see that Bartoli lost again yesterday. :( Maybe she needs to give her body a rest and this is her body&#39;s way of forcing her to do so! I wasn&#39;t sad to see that Mirza beat Hingis in the same tournament, though. ;)
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Yes and yes.......

marissasensei
08-08-2007, 11:36 AM
I&#39;m predicting the scenario in bold. Rafa&#39;s retrieving will drive Marat bonkers and he&#39;ll start going for too much. But I wish my handsome Russian headcase lots &#39;o luck.
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After reading Marat´s presser (http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=44723) from his last match, I tend to agree. I´ve cut and pasted the presser below, since it illustrates why I both love and hate Marat -- I hate the mopiness and low expectations, but I have to love his "my name is Bennett and I ain´t in it" -type responses to the questions about gambling. :lol:

August 7, 2007

Marat Safin

MONTREAL, QUEBEC

THE MODERATOR: Questions for Marat.

Q. Have you had many walkovers in your career? Can you think of any?
MARAT SAFIN: I wish it would happen a little more often.

Q. Have you had any?
MARAT SAFIN: No, this is probably the second one. I think it was somewhere else something happened, but I don&#39;t remember.

Q. Is it better or worse that you had the walkover before you have to play Rafael?
MARAT SAFIN: No, much better. Soderling, he&#39;s a tough player, plays well. Better than to run around the court two, three hours try to beat him, then come up tomorrow with a good game.
So I prefer this way.

Q. You&#39;ve been playing quite a lot this summer, haven&#39;t you?
MARAT SAFIN: Also. So an extra day off, I think it&#39;s a good thing.

Q. How about playing Rafa? Never played him before.
MARAT SAFIN: No, never. I&#39;m looking forward. We&#39;ll see how it&#39;s going to happen, what&#39;s going to happen. I don&#39;t have many expectations. I&#39;m just play my match. He&#39;s the favorite. He&#39;s playing well. Let&#39;s just keep it this way.

Q. A guy like that, that you&#39;ve seen play all these years, you never played him, do you have a natural curiosity, some ideas how you would play against him?
MARAT SAFIN: Not really. I don&#39;t really care about this. Whenever the opportunity comes comes. So finally it came. But I was not really looking for it and try to out of curiosity play against him, not really.
He&#39;s a very good player. I don&#39;t think you are really looking for that experience.

Q. You&#39;re not looking for that experience?
MARAT SAFIN: No (smiling).

Q. Like when guys play against you?
MARAT SAFIN: When the guys played against me before, yes, was different story. Not now (smiling).

Q. Can you go in as an underdog with nothing to lose?
MARAT SAFIN: What I have to lose? He&#39;s the one second seeded. He&#39;s the one who is fighting for No. 1 this year. I&#39;m not the one. He&#39;s favorite in this tournament. So for me it&#39;s another opportunity, another chance.
Anything can happen, of course. I&#39;m not going there and tank the match. I&#39;m going to try to win it, of course. But I&#39;m definitely not expecting anything great out of it. I don&#39;t want to have extra pressure on myself that I should make at least a good match. So I don&#39;t really care. If it&#39;s 6-2, 6-2 or 7-6, 7-6, doesn&#39;t make any difference for me.

Q. If you win, that would boost your confidence.
MARAT SAFIN: "If, if." If many things would be different way, many changes would be in this world. So let&#39;s keep it this way.

Q. How do you feel about your game right now?
MARAT SAFIN: Well, been a long summer. I had my matches, had my bad matches, everything happened. Actually, everything happened but nothing happened. Two quarterfinals. I didn&#39;t really play my best game. Didn&#39;t really play for -- I didn&#39;t impress myself with my game.
So was just fighting around and trying to win in tough matches, finishing 1:00 in the morning in Washington, playing next day against Monfils, playing bad again. So nothing really extraordinary.

Q. What to you make of the gambling investigation going on?
MARAT SAFIN: Not for me, man. Not for me.

Q. Not for you?
MARAT SAFIN: I don&#39;t care. They can do whatever they want. I don&#39;t want to be involved in any of it. I don&#39;t want to make any comments. I don&#39;t care.

Q. Do you feel like the ATP is doing what it needs to do?
MARAT SAFIN: I don&#39;t care, man. ATP can do whatever they want. I&#39;m out of it.

Q. You don&#39;t care that it possibly could be viewed as hurting the integrity of the sport?
MARAT SAFIN: I don&#39;t care. It&#39;s not my problem, that&#39;s for sure. I&#39;m here more for myself than for the ATP. The ATP is full of people who gets paid a lot of money, big bucks, and they&#39;re the ones who have to think, not me.
I&#39;m here to play my tennis, win some matches, and whatever happens happens. I&#39;m not going to make any comments. They have enough smart people to investigate and look for it, to the right thing. I&#39;m not the one to ask.

Q. Does it surprise you to hear that kind of thing might happen in tennis?
MARAT SAFIN: Again, I don&#39;t care.

Q. A few years ago you were giving your sister a hard time.
MARAT SAFIN: I don&#39;t remember that.

Q. In Australia.
MARAT SAFIN: Okay, so (smiling)?

Q. Now is she giving you a hard time?
MARAT SAFIN: She can&#39;t.

Q. Why not?
MARAT SAFIN: Because a lot of things depends on me when you&#39;re out of tennis life, so she better be good for me.

Q. You said this has been an unremarkable season for you. How do you feel about that? Do you feel frustrated? Is it just kind of a depressing thing?
MARAT SAFIN: Well, first of all, why I have to be frustrated? In the worst scenario, the worst scenario, which would be the normal scenario of my life, I would be a coach in some club in Russia, in Moscow, that nobody would even think about me. I would have probably a few kids and wife, drive every morning at 9:00 in the morning to give lessons.
And look at me now. Not bad for 10 years of career. Instead of that, I&#39;m alone. I&#39;m playing my best tennis. I&#39;m doing the things that I love to do. I have no family. I&#39;m enjoying it.
So you know, I was lucky to catch the train. I was lucky to take the opportunity the people they gave me. Why I have to be frustrated? I have everything what I need. I have a good life. I&#39;m flying business, first class. I have my friends coming to watch me. When I go to Moscow, I&#39;m staying at a nice place, nice area, good neighborhood, nice cars. So everything is great. So why I have to be frustrated?

Q. You&#39;ve expressed frustration in the past when you haven&#39;t played as well as you want to.
MARAT SAFIN: Is different thing. Of course, you want to do a little better than you are doing. Of course, instead of being 25, you want to be maybe top 10, for example. But after all, if you thinking the big picture, it doesn&#39;t really matter. If you enjoy what you&#39;re doing, the good times this will come. If you do the proper job, of course with the years it&#39;s a little bit more difficult to push yourself to do that.
If you want to play tennis, and I want to play tennis, I really want to try, I think everything can come back and everything can be improved. Especially that I didn&#39;t make any great results, I&#39;m still 20 in the world. Is not really bad. It&#39;s one small step by winning a couple of difficult matches, make a quarterfinal here, a semifinal in a big tournament, you are already not 20, you are already almost top 10. Then the people, they say, Oh, he&#39;s back. But what made the difference? Just one, two points in a tough match, that&#39;s it. It&#39;s two matches, that&#39;s it.
But frustrating? Never.

Q. You&#39;re kind of lucky to have caught the train without the wife and kids on it.
MARAT SAFIN: That&#39;s for sure not for me yet. I prefer to play tennis and be alone than to be working in a tennis club from 9:00 to 9:00 and having two kids to feed and a wife that is never happy. Sounds familiar or not?

Q. You&#39;re assuming a lot.
MARAT SAFIN: Sounds familiar for some of us, huh?

marissasensei
08-08-2007, 12:18 PM
ok that&#39;s it. i don&#39;t think i can root for rafa anymore. i detest leyton hewitt. yuck. can&#39;t believe rafa would actualy team with him.
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You mean to say you&#39;re not even slightly moved by this pairing?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070807/i/r90806332.jpg

GurlwithCurls
08-08-2007, 01:11 PM
Q. You&#39;re kind of lucky to have caught the train without the wife and kids on it.
MARAT SAFIN: That&#39;s for sure not for me yet. I prefer to play tennis and be alone than to be working in a tennis club from 9:00 to 9:00 and having two kids to feed and a wife that is never happy. Sounds familiar or not?

Q. You&#39;re assuming a lot.
MARAT SAFIN: Sounds familiar for some of us, huh? [/b]

:lol: man Marat is always good for a laugh.

He says he won&#39;t tank the match but I have seen him do just that. I still can&#39;t believe freaking Thomas Johansson (who? exactly!) beat him in a slam final because Marat was up all night with a trio of blondes :rolleyes: I hope he keeps it competitive. Rafa is an awesome player but there is no reason why Safin shouldn&#39;t make it very hard for El Negro to beat him.

I&#39;m with you marissasensei, I like the Nadal/Hewitt doubles pairing *ducking tomatoes* and I can see why they might be friendly. They have similar intensity and fight on the court. Hewitt is definitely one of my least favorite players, but I don&#39;t hate him quite as much as I used to. There&#39;s something about former champions struggling, even really a$$holey former champs, that gets to me. I feel a teensy bit sorry for them. It must be tough to go from such highs to being just another top 30 player. And Hewitt is one of the most competitive players, so much so that he makes me actually care about the outcome of some of his matches. With that said, I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve ever actually rooted for him except when he plays Roddick. And its always fun to watch him play one of the Argentines. They HATE his a$$.

CoCo2000
08-08-2007, 01:14 PM
MARAT SAFIN: I don&#39;t care. It&#39;s not my problem, that&#39;s for sure. I&#39;m here more for myself than for the ATP. The ATP is full of people who gets paid a lot of money, big bucks, and they&#39;re the ones who have to think, not me.......I&#39;m not the one to ask.
Q. Does it surprise you to hear that kind of thing might happen in tennis?
MARAT SAFIN: Again, I don&#39;t care.[/b]
Too funny!! :lol:



I&#39;m with you marissasensei, I like the Nadal/Hewitt doubles pairing *ducking tomatoes* [/b]
http://www.barbarawood.com/guestbook/images/smilies/tomato.gif

:lol:



Hewitt is definitely one of my least favorite players, but I don&#39;t hate him quite as much as I used to. There&#39;s something about former champions struggling........I feel a teensy bit sorry for them. It must be tough to go from such highs to being just another top 30 player. [/b]
:boohoo: at the bolded part. I agree with it to a certain extent, but not for Hewitt. :icon_headshake:

CoCo2000
08-08-2007, 01:25 PM
DP...my bad....

ashta
08-08-2007, 05:24 PM
You mean to say you&#39;re not even slightly moved by this pairing?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070807/i/r90806332.jpg
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nope. i&#39;m not gonna give. :P

CoCo2000
08-09-2007, 07:17 AM
He says he won&#39;t tank the match but I have seen him do just that. [/b]
I only watched the tiebreak and a couple of games of the 2nd set and it looks like he did it again last night. <_<

Slightly off topic: Although I didn&#39;t think he played that well, Safin definitely looked very good last night :wub: , so for the first time, I could see why you guys go on and on about him. I don&#39;t know how I missed all of that "gorgeousness" in the past. Maybe the televisions I&#39;ve watched him on in the past were malfunctioning. :lol:

masoesa
08-09-2007, 07:44 AM
I only watched the tiebreak and a couple of games of the 2nd set and it looks like he did it again last night. <_<

Slightly off topic: Although I didn&#39;t think he played that well, Safin definitely looked very good last night :wub: , so for the first time, I could see why you guys go on and on about him. I don&#39;t know how I missed all of that "gorgeousness" in the past. Maybe the televisions I&#39;ve watched him on in the past were malfunctioning. :lol:
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Or maybe you just got used to him.

Chyna Black
08-09-2007, 08:10 AM
:blush: Safin is a very sexy man. I almost cheered for him during the tiebreak, but my sweetie pulled out his pimp hand so back to reality!!

Being a lone Roddick fan, I am excited about tonight&#39;s match against Baghdatis. Bag has not be very successful this year and I am hoping he pulls this one off. Yet Andy is looking for match #400, and in following all the counts with Barry Bonds I would be equally excited if Roddick gets it.

Hopefully it will be a great match. Does Roger get any tv time these days? :huh:

Another reason for my new love of Djokovic :wub: :wub: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2603/12by3.th.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5379/06oi1.th.jpg

ashta
08-09-2007, 11:05 AM
marat is like a box of chocolates. :rolleyes:

honestly, i just don&#39;t think i could invest any emotion or energy into rooting for marat. he is frustrating.

i really believe he could have beaten rafa last night. i really do. i don&#39;t know if he lacks belief or if he&#39;s truly mental but to me, his lapses are just terrible for someone of his caliber and experience.

i like players who don&#39;t necessarily always win but players who fight. it&#39;s not merely losing that&#39;s the problem. it&#39;s the way you lose. and he loses so ugly and so miserably it&#39;s just sad to see. but someone like monica seles and capriati and serena and obviously rafa (who&#39;s a beast out there) - if they lose, they are going down with a fight.

they are not gonna roll over for their opponent. look at serena - she said she would have died on the court vs. hantuchova while playing her at wimbledon even with that injury. and she won. imagine that marat.

when marat loss those set points, i just knew that was it. and to get steamrolled 6/0 in the second set. oh for crying out loud marat. see a sports psychology why don&#39;t you.

marat makes me wanna strangle him.

but he is very easy on the eyes. :wub:



:blush: Safin is a very sexy man. I almost cheered for him during the tiebreak, but my sweetie pulled out his pimp hand so back to reality!!

Being a lone Roddick fan, I am excited about tonight&#39;s match against Baghdatis. Bag has not be very successful this year and I am hoping he pulls this one off. Yet Andy is looking for match #400, and in following all the counts with Barry Bonds I would be equally excited if Roddick gets it.

Hopefully it will be a great match. Does Roger get any tv time these days? :huh:

Another reason for my new love of Djokovic :wub: :wub: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2603/12by3.th.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5379/06oi1.th.jpg
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you are not alone. i&#39;m not mad at andy; i need an american man to root for now and then. i&#39;d like to see him do well.

roger was on espn yesterday vs. karlovic. i was home yesterday so i got to watch the matches, though i didn&#39;t watch that one.

CoCo2000
08-09-2007, 12:12 PM
Video of a five year-old tennis prodigy (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=39ae4032-9691-4b4a-b14d-e064417f333f&p=Source_Today%20Show&t=m5&rf=http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/20107032&fg=)
:unsure:
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After seeing a brief article with more videos on this child (http://tennisworld.typepad.com/backcourt_framed/2007/08/salvation-is-he.html), I remembered that I forgot to post my response regarding this video the other day. If I were his mother, Meredith would have gotten hit with two tennis balls, too........by me! <_< I could not believe that woman hit the little boy not once, but twice with tennis balls from her racket and had the nerve to try and joke about it! I know getting hit with balls is sometimes a part of tennis, but that was ridiculous to me. She was on a dang tv show!

GurlwithCurls
08-09-2007, 01:39 PM
Did anyone else notice that Safin&#39;s new coach, former Argentine player Hernan Gumy, is smoking? :huh: Hottest player-coach combo ever.

Right now Rafa is in deep doo doo against Paul-Henri Mathieu. He just lost the first set.

Chyna Black
08-09-2007, 01:59 PM
^^^^Yes that man is beautiful reflection of chunky man-ness!!

But Rafa is killin me right about now. Its been a pattern with the male players during these summer tournys that players that have never beaten them grow some big ones before the match and procede to put the smack down.

Mathieu is like 0-5 against Rafa, but today he feels his manhood..... <_<

As for the prodigy he is adorable! I do see mommie and daddy dearest in his future...

ashta
08-09-2007, 02:52 PM
^^^^Yes that man is beautiful reflection of chunky man-ness!!

But Rafa is killin me right about now. Its been a pattern with the male players during these summer tournys that players that have never beaten them grow some big ones before the match and procede to put the smack down.

Mathieu is like 0-5 against Rafa, but today he feels his manhood..... <_<

As for the prodigy he is adorable! I do see mommie and daddy dearest in his future...
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this is why i know marat could have beaten rafa yesterday.

Chyna Black
08-10-2007, 08:09 AM
^^^Yeah Safin is just allowing doubts into his game. His serving was great but talk about emotional man.
Rafa came back on Mat, he is still playing like he is rusty. Today he plays that Canadian guy that beat Andy so I hope he gets the rust out before that match.

Last night I was disappointed with Bag allowing Roddick to walk all over him. :Angry:

I got to give Andy more credit he was playing his behind off last night. He was all over the place had Bag confused to a point. Returning like a champ, now will he stay consistent? Djokovic, hopefully will battle him more then Bag. Really I want Djokovic to send him home. :blush:

+++Oh the thumb must be feeling better! Serena will be playing Pilot Pen!! :D

GurlwithCurls
08-10-2007, 08:57 AM
Bagdhatis played like utter crap last night, he couldn&#39;t put a forehand in the court :Angry: but I gotta say Andy played the best defense I&#39;ve ever seen him play. But Djokovic will send him packing. That kid&#39;s game is just hot hot hot this year. I couldn&#39;t believe the beatdown he gave Nalbandian. I&#39;m making my prediction now: Djokovic is reaching the USO final!

I&#39;m so glad Serena&#39;s getting in some match play before the USO.

hzlcreativity
08-10-2007, 09:04 AM
Any one watching the Rogers&#39; Tourney?

I can&#39;t WAIT for the open!

Chyna Black
08-10-2007, 10:10 AM
Bagdhatis played like utter crap last night, he couldn&#39;t put a forehand in the court :Angry: but I gotta say Andy played the best defense I&#39;ve ever seen him play. But Djokovic will send him packing. That kid&#39;s game is just hot hot hot this year. I couldn&#39;t believe the beatdown he gave Nalbandian. I&#39;m making my prediction now: Djokovic is reaching the USO final!
I&#39;m so glad Serena&#39;s getting in some match play before the USO.
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:wub: Would he give the Fed a hard time? Better one, has he played against him yet?

CoCo2000
08-10-2007, 12:04 PM
he lost to radek stepanek. he lost to radek stepanek. :rolleyes:
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Okay, I had to borrow ashta&#39;s comment regarding Blake a couple of weeks ago to apply to my shock when seeing the result of stepanek&#39;s match with Davydenko today. I was like :huh:

It looks like Stepanek has something to prove to the so-called top 10 players.

GurlwithCurls
08-10-2007, 01:20 PM
Okay, I had to borrow ashta&#39;s comment regarding Blake a couple of weeks ago to apply to my shock when seeing the result of stepanek&#39;s match with Davydenko today. I was like :huh:

It looks like Stepanek has something to prove to the so-called top 10 players.
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Stepanek is engaged to the Black Widow, aka Martina Hingis, who is notorious for hooking up with athletes (she has dated a gazillion tennis pros) and then their careers go down the toilet. So good on Stepanek for avoiding the curse, for now anyway. Martina is sucking these days so maybe she transferred all her luck to him.

CoCo2000
08-10-2007, 02:18 PM
Stepanek is engaged to the Black Widow, aka Martina Hingis, who is notorious for hooking up with athletes (she has dated a gazillion tennis pros) and then their careers go down the toilet. So good on Stepanek for avoiding the curse, for now anyway.[/b]
:lol: I remember reading an article about that recently. He was asked if he was concerned about that stat and he said something like he was willing to take his chances. I was like, whatever.

I haven&#39;t heard much about Scoville Jenkins in a while, so I did a google search and found this website. (http://www.sco93.com/gallery.htm)

He&#39;s a cute little guy, but I am wondering if he will get a chance to play during the US Open this year. I&#39;ve never understood how they determine who will play in the qualifying rounds for a chance to play in the main draw. Hopefully, if given the opportunity, he will make the cut. It would be great to see a little more color during the majors. ;)

Chyna Black
08-10-2007, 02:20 PM
Stepanek is engaged to the Black Widow, aka Martina Hingis, who is notorious for hooking up with athletes (she has dated a gazillion tennis pros) and then their careers go down the toilet. So good on Stepanek for avoiding the curse, for now anyway. Martina is sucking these days so maybe she transferred all her luck to him.
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:pointlaugh: :pointlaugh: Why did I laugh out loud when I read that? Water everywhere.... :lol:

Djokovic one set under his belt!! :D Who is Razzano? I am rooting for her, I no likey Petrova....

ashta
08-10-2007, 05:27 PM
eek. roddick downed by djokovic. that&#39;s bad.

i&#39;m feeling sorry for roddick. it&#39;s like the top players are pulling away from him and he&#39;s not improving.

not a good year for him this year.

Chyna Black
08-10-2007, 07:11 PM
I am on the fence really. Andy played a good match against Djokovic.

Nah, I am happy D is moving on!!!! Why are they showing D and Andy instead of Rafa :Angry: :Angry: ???

ashta
08-10-2007, 11:23 PM
because roddick&#39;s american. i can&#39;t say i blame them for showing it. plus rafa was playing a lesser opponent whereas roddick and djokovic are top ten players.

at least, that would be my rationale.

pova just won. too bad dementieva lost.

marissasensei
08-11-2007, 02:37 AM
Short article (http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/story.html?id=95063d3c-c11d-48a9-91c3-84b0215e5206) re: the Hewitt/Nadal dubs pairing.

Excerpt:
The two hadn&#39;t even talked about who was going to play which side. "We can&#39;t talk about it. I can&#39;t understand anything he says," said Nadal, no doubt referring to the Aussie accent.

:lol:

ETA: After all the talk about Marat&#39;s coach, I had to google his name, and . . . um, yeah, he&#39;s pretty hot. Maybe Marat hired him, thinking he&#39;d focus better on tennis with an attractive coach to deflect some of the female attention? Maybe Hernan can take one (or some, more likely) for the team allowing our dear Marat to spend that extra time on the tennis courts. ;)


http://www.geocities.com/futbolistas3/gummy/hernan_gumy_02.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/futbolistas3/gummy/hernan_gumy_01.jpg

Damn, Hernan is so good looking that at first, I didn&#39;t even notice the Gunnar & Matthew Nelson c. 1992 -style ripped jeans. :P

CoCo2000
08-11-2007, 12:00 PM
http://www.geocities.com/futbolistas3/gummy/hernan_gumy_01.jpg
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:huh: Now, see, they are wrong for this photo.

Seriously, is he a model or male dancer when he is not a tennis coach? If not, this photo strikes me as odd. Unless, of course, they are trying to promote his "hotness". :lol:

marissasensei
08-11-2007, 03:45 PM
Stepanek is engaged to the Black Widow, aka Martina Hingis, who is notorious for hooking up with athletes (she has dated a gazillion tennis pros) and then their careers go down the toilet. So good on Stepanek for avoiding the curse, for now anyway. Martina is sucking these days so maybe she transferred all her luck to him.
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Just read that the engagement is off (http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6843712,00.html). Maybe that, rather than an end to the Black Widow curse, explains his good form as of late. :lol:

GurlwithCurls
08-11-2007, 03:56 PM
LMAO! So that explains it. I wonder who the Black Widow will strike next. Martina is mos def a maneater, and career-killer. As long as she stays away from my favorites.

Chyna Black, are you watching your two Serbian ladies? They&#39;re on serve in the third set, semifinal of the LA tourny. I&#39;m pulling for Ivanovic because I think she can stop Pova from winning the whole thing.

ashta
08-11-2007, 04:57 PM
jankovic lost. :( she had so many chances to win. what a shame.

as for invanovic, well i&#39;m trying not to be a hater.

but, rafa and djokovic will be on soon. great day for tennis.

marissasensei
08-11-2007, 05:26 PM
I am pleasantly surprised to see that the Rafa/Djoko match is being shown here (in Spain) live, though it means that my sleep patterns will get screwed up again. Djokovic has come out of the gates smacking the hell out of the ball, but I will say no more, so as not to spoil it for those who are at the (tape-delayed) mercy of ESPN. :blush:

ETA: I REALLY like Rafa&#39;s &#39;new&#39; shorts. More flattering than the piratas; I hope they&#39;re here to stay.

CoCo2000
08-11-2007, 07:32 PM
ETA: I REALLY like Rafa&#39;s &#39;new&#39; shorts. More flattering than the piratas; I hope they&#39;re here to stay.
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I haven&#39;t seen him in the &#39;new&#39; shorts yet, but I am in favor of the swashbuckler look being gone.

You guys know that I am not a fan of Nadal&#39;s, but I was looking forward to watching the Fed put it on him yet again in tomorrow&#39;s final. Oh, well, maybe next tourny for Nadal. ;)

Chyna Black
08-11-2007, 09:09 PM
Uh, hmm Stepanek being picky? He is not attractive. :unsure:

Now Hernan...... :blush: :wub: ;)

@Gurl, they didn&#39;t show the match in my parts. I am excited that Anna won, she is my favorite.

I am so conflict about Djokovic beating Rafa. Its hard for me to watch, but it was worth it. I could see Rafa getting frustrated about not being able to break ND and after the first set I had a feeling in my gut.

But happy, happy, joy, joy Djokovic pulled off his shirt at the end of the match and I was able to deal!! :wub: :wub: :wub:

But here&#39;s my thing, everyone else that plays against the Fed just doesn&#39;t have the same belief that Nadal has against him. Does Djokovic believe he can beat Roger? Yes his game is strong enough, his movement is great right now but you have to feel that Roger is beatable in order to go out there and win a set.

All that to say I will be glued to the TV to see how Djokovic does tomorrow.

:huh: So Shriek hurt her shin? When? Petrova had an easy day and I am really hoping for an all Serbia day of Champions.

ashta
08-11-2007, 10:01 PM
i like rafa&#39;s new shorts but he still picks. rafa has problems on fast hardcourts. oh well. i wonder if he is concerned that he has done relatively poorly at the aussie and us opens.

i don&#39;t think djokovic will beat fed tomorrow. but i do give him a shot at reaching the finals of the us open if he&#39;s not on fed&#39;s side of the draw.

i actually don&#39;t particularly care for the serbs though i am trying to open myself up to them.

i know this is weird but if i were gonna give ivanovic some pr advice, i&#39;d tell her to remove the cap (can&#39;t see your face/eyes), stop the girlish squeals and look up/out when pumping yourself up rather than down towards the ground. also, and this has nothing to do with pr, catch the ball toss when it goes far out to the right. every serve with that ball toss to the far right forced her to make a second serve.

i find the serbs to be a bit of a bore though djokovic is ok for me i suppose. they just aren&#39;t that exciting.

GurlwithCurls
08-11-2007, 11:48 PM
Chyna, Djokovic almost always takes his shirt off after a big win, so I&#39;m sure we&#39;ll be seeing a lot more of his naked torso.

And I do believe he has the belief against Roger. They haven&#39;t played since the beginning of the year when Fed beat him at the Aussie and in Dubai (Djoke did get a set off Fed in Dubai). The Djoker&#39;s game has matured so much in just six months though. I don&#39;t believe he&#39;ll beat Roger but he&#39;ll give him a hell of a match. I&#39;m warming up to Djoko mainly because he has guts and belief. I am really impressed by him in general. I think he&#39;ll be the next first-time slam winner.

ashta, I&#39;ll have to turn you on to Ivanovic :P Jankovic I can&#39;t stand but for some reason Ana is one of my new faves. Besides being a total sweetheart, I really like her game. She gets grouped with the power hitters (her serve and forehand are huge) but she also has great finesse and appears to have a tennis brain, not just a "whack the shyte outta the ball" mentality, so I enjoy watching her play. I wonder if she&#39;s too nice to really be a champ but the way she gutted out the win today and saved all those break- and matchpoints makes me think that she&#39;s tough enough to be a future champ.

The way I see it, we&#39;ve probably got 5 or so more years of Vee and Serena and no sign of a future American champ so I gotta start warming up to new players now ;) out of the youngster set (19-21 or so) Ivanovic seems the most promising to me.

marissasensei
08-12-2007, 01:56 AM
I&#39;m disappointed with Rafa&#39;s loss, but I could see it coming. He didn&#39;t seem to have the same self-belief out there as he usually does. Oh well, I like Djokovic well enough, and would have rooted for him against almost any other player, so I&#39;m not too upset.

The thing that always concerns me about Djokovic is not his mental stamina, but his physical stamina. He is notorious for cramping up and having physical ailments during his match. Even during the match yesterday, he was flexing his legs at the end of the first set! I&#39;m worried that he won&#39;t have anything left physically for the finals and the match will end up being a bust.

ashta
08-12-2007, 10:00 AM
I&#39;m disappointed with Rafa&#39;s loss, but I could see it coming. He didn&#39;t seem to have the same self-belief out there as he usually does. Oh well, I like Djokovic well enough, and would have rooted for him against almost any other player, so I&#39;m not too upset.

The thing that always concerns me about Djokovic is not his mental stamina, but his physical stamina. He is notorious for cramping up and having physical ailments during his match. Even during the match yesterday, he was flexing his legs at the end of the first set! I&#39;m worried that he won&#39;t have anything left physically for the finals and the match will end up being a bust.
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isn&#39;t he notorious for fake cramping? the first time i ever saw him play was during the us open a few years back vs. monfils where he put on a great (cramping) show. i decided i didn&#39;t like him then. but, i&#39;m trying to change my mind.



Chyna, Djokovic almost always takes his shirt off after a big win, so I&#39;m sure we&#39;ll be seeing a lot more of his naked torso.

And I do believe he has the belief against Roger. They haven&#39;t played since the beginning of the year when Fed beat him at the Aussie and in Dubai (Djoke did get a set off Fed in Dubai). The Djoker&#39;s game has matured so much in just six months though. I don&#39;t believe he&#39;ll beat Roger but he&#39;ll give him a hell of a match. I&#39;m warming up to Djoko mainly because he has guts and belief. I am really impressed by him in general. I think he&#39;ll be the next first-time slam winner.

ashta, I&#39;ll have to turn you on to Ivanovic :P Jankovic I can&#39;t stand but for some reason Ana is one of my new faves. Besides being a total sweetheart, I really like her game. She gets grouped with the power hitters (her serve and forehand are huge) but she also has great finesse and appears to have a tennis brain, not just a "whack the shyte outta the ball" mentality, so I enjoy watching her play. I wonder if she&#39;s too nice to really be a champ but the way she gutted out the win today and saved all those break- and matchpoints makes me think that she&#39;s tough enough to be a future champ.

The way I see it, we&#39;ve probably got 5 or so more years of Vee and Serena and no sign of a future American champ so I gotta start warming up to new players now ;) out of the youngster set (19-21 or so) Ivanovic seems the most promising to me.
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i&#39;m just being stupid and nitpicky. :D i think i just prefer players with some swagger i think. she seems nice enough.

marissasensei
08-12-2007, 10:42 AM
isn&#39;t he notorious for fake cramping? the first time i ever saw him play was during the us open a few years back vs. monfils where he put on a great (cramping) show. i decided i didn&#39;t like him then. but, i&#39;m trying to change my mind.
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He got a bad rep earlier in his career, but I don&#39;t think he&#39;s ever faked injury, per se. For example, during the match with Monfils, I think he was legitimately hurting, but the problem was the umpire not enforcing the timeout rules (he should have forced Nole to resume play within x amount of time or forfeit the match). The thing with Nole is that fitness remains an issue so that, compared with other "young guns" (Nadal, Baggy, Monfils), there&#39;s more of a chance that his conditioning--or lack thereof-- will become a subplot during his matches.

ETA: I&#39;m watching the match now, and WOW -- this has been a very entertaining final.

Random thoughts:

(1) Roger truly does have great hair. I find myself transfixed by it when he plays.

(2) Nole has "wilanders" the size of bowling balls. Wow. I continue to be impressed by this guy. And, as a Rafa fan, I hate to say it, but I can easily see Nole becoming #1 before Rafa. The reason being that Nole can beat anyone on any surface (other than beating Rafa on clay), whereas Rafa is vulnerable on faster surfaces and against any player who hits it hard and flat (Blake/Youzhny/Berdych/Gonzo/Safin/Nole).

EATA: Congrats Djoko! And he beat the top 3 players on successive days en route to the title. Impressive! I think the U.S. Open will be interesting this year. :D

Chyna Black
08-12-2007, 03:35 PM
#3.......#2.........#1.....Djokovic!!!! :o :D :Cool_049: Yes Gurl I know he takes it off, I just really love his personality!

I have seen he physically weak, but he is coming together. And dare I speak against my Rafa, I can definitely see Djokovic reaching number 1 before Nadal...

Now can I please get an all Serbia Sunday!!! :wub: You know Coco Rog and Rafa will be hitting something wondering about Djokovic for a second. Roger even said he was not impressed with D. I wonder about that now? :huh:


Ashta, I am just learning to recognize the way players serve basicly because they have been speaking on the way Sharapova had to change her serve up to help with her shoulder. So I think Ivanovic&#39;s game is improving. Now JJ, come on she is running all over the place stretching her body crazy when she plays. She brings some excitement into the matches. She laughes, she gets the crowd involoved.

I can&#39;t type and watch the match so I will catch you ladies later. Looks like we will need to start another one in time for the Pilot and the open.

I agree marissasensei with Djokovic winning today I am sure the next few weeks will be something!! :D :D

CoCo2000
08-12-2007, 04:06 PM
I have seen he physically weak, but he is coming together. And dare I speak against my Rafa, I can definitely see Djokovic reaching number 1 before Nadal...[/b]
I missed the final, but when I checked the score, I was like :huh: . I didn&#39;t think Fed would run away with the match, but I certainly did not think he would lose.

Chyna, Fed is not giving up the # 1 spot anytime soon, so you keep hope alive for Nadal and Djokovic to fight it out over the # 2 spot! :lol:

Still :huh: re: Fed&#39;s loss today, but, oh well, I guess he really can&#39;t win them all. ;)

ashta
08-12-2007, 04:57 PM
:crying: my tennis nightmares are coming true.

GurlwithCurls
08-12-2007, 06:17 PM
Wow at Djokovic&#39;s win over Federer :huh: I was surprised but not totally shocked because, as marissasensei noted, the Djoker&#39;s got balls of steel. He is practically unshakable in tiebreaks. I lost track of how many he won at Wimbledon. Mentally, homeboy is tough. This really makes things interesting going in to the Open.

Federer looked ticked. I like his candor, but I cringed when he said in the pre-match interview that the first time they played, he wasn&#39;t impressed with Djokovic. I thought that might come back to bite him in the a$$.

Fed and Djoko are on the same side of the draw in Cincy next week so they could meet in the semis. A Re-match would be veeeery interesting...

Ivanovic won today too so Serbia must be partying it up today :P the women go to Montreal next week and I think the tourny is Ivanovic&#39;s to lose.

clarky
08-12-2007, 08:09 PM
the women go to Montreal next week and I think the tourny is Ivanovic&#39;s to lose.
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The women play in Toronto this year. It switches between Montreal and Toronto. Next year the men will play in Toronto and the women in Montreal.

I like Fed but I think he felt at some point that Djoko would fall apart. It&#39;s was almost like he was waiting for it to happen. On another note, Mirka was sporting huge rock on her left hand. Are they finally engaged?

marissasensei
08-13-2007, 07:44 AM
^^^ In the interviews I&#39;ve read/seen with Roger and Mirka, they deny that it&#39;s an engagement ring (I know Feds has referred to it as an "I love you very much ring"). It sounds like they have an understanding where they both focus on Roger&#39;s career for now and they&#39;ll get married once he retires.

ashta
08-13-2007, 07:53 AM
i like players with swagger and i like edgy players and players with flare but i don&#39;t like players who cheat which to me is a bit punkish. explains why i don&#39;t like djokovic. after a 2006 davis cup match, federer accused djoke of faking injuries.

Roger, were you Djoking? Apparently not. When asked about Djokovic appearing injured during their Davis Cup playoff match on Sunday, Federer said, “I don’t trust his injuries, you know.” He then brushed aside the ensuing laughter. “I’m serious. I think he’s a joke, you know, when it comes down to his injuries. The rules are there to be used, not abused. He’s been doing it many times, that’s why I wasn’t happy to see him doing that and running around like a rabbit again. It was a good handshake. I was happy to beat him.”

http://www.tennis.com/features/general/fea...s.aspx?id=47666 (http://www.tennis.com/features/general/features.aspx?id=47666)

if fed says it, it must be true. ;)

Chyna Black
08-13-2007, 07:55 AM
:crying: my tennis nightmares are coming true.
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:lol: :lol: Watch out for my Serbians!!! I done told you!! :P

Oh Roger, he said that the loss was "insignificant" and he will not start to feel disappointment because of one match. He pretty much says:

"The goal was to win Wimbledon," Federer said. "Done that. Then, try to stay No. 1 in the world. It would have helped to have won today but you can&#39;t have it all.

I see Roger and Mirka like Oprah and Stedman, maybe some day. Careers are more important at this point for some folks.

ashta
08-13-2007, 08:27 AM
not a fan of the serbian mafia. :)

and i doubt i&#39;ll ever bring myself to root for djokovic.

Chyna Black
08-13-2007, 08:45 AM
not a fan of the serbian mafia. :)

and i doubt i&#39;ll ever bring myself to root for djokovic.
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Oh now Ashta.....that mafia made me :lol:

CoCo2000
08-13-2007, 09:02 AM
and i doubt i&#39;ll ever bring myself to root for djokovic.
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I don&#39;t root for cheaters, either. I don&#39;t see Fed saying something like that if there wasn&#39;t some truth to it and if it wasn&#39;t widely known on the men&#39;s tour.

Reminds me of why it would be very difficult for me to ever be happy with a Henin win, even though I think she is one of the best players in women&#39;s tennis today. It&#39;s just hard to let go of the antics her cheating behind used against our girl in Roland Garros a few years ago. <_<



"The goal was to win Wimbledon," Federer said. "Done that. Then, try to stay No. 1 in the world. It would have helped to have won today but you can&#39;t have it all.[/b]
I don&#39;t think he has much to worry about regarding losing that ranking any time soon. I don&#39;t fully understand how they award the points (never have and gave up trying long ago), but the last time I checked, I think he was like two or three thousand points ahead of the number 2 player (Nadal at the moment), so I think that goal is safe. :)

Chyna Black
08-13-2007, 10:01 AM
^^^ Yeah The Fed and Rafa are so far ahead of the rest of the pack with the points, that he would have to retire or something before anyone passes either of them. I had a guy friend try to explain the points system to me and I was like :unsure: so I just go with the flow.

I guess I am harder on Justin then Djokovic because I still have problems with her after the hand incident. Although I am happy with D winning yesterday, its not a grand slam. He has more pressure on him now to beat Roger again. The Fed is trying to get the GOAT title so the next time they play I doubt it will go in D&#39;s favor. Roger will be on a mission, as well as Rafa. The US Open being at stake will up everyone&#39;s game.

Hopefully ND is not a faker anymore, because I really like him. :blush:

CoCo2000
08-13-2007, 10:23 AM
The Fed is trying to get the GOAT title......[/b]
Ah, I think he pretty much has that title in the bag, even if he doesn&#39;t win another match. Well, as far as I&#39;m concerned, anyway. The man is just.......well, the best!

marissasensei
08-13-2007, 10:37 AM
Actually, Fed&#39;s only about 1,500 points in front of Rafa right now, which is the smallest the gap has been. He has 1,000+ more points to defend this year (1,000 for the USO, plus however many points he picked up last year for winning the YEC and any smaller tournaments). Considering that Rafa basically did nothing in the second half of last year and lost relatively early in this year&#39;s AO, he has a LOT fewer points to defend. He could feasibly become #1 after next year&#39;s AO. If Roger fails to defend the USO, YEC, and AO, things will get VERY interesting.

ETA current standings from ATP website:

1 Federer, Roger (SUI) 7140
2 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 5605
3 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 3700
4 Roddick, Andy (USA) 3415
5 Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS) 3195
6 Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI) 2475
7 Robredo, Tommy (ESP) 2170
8 Blake, James (USA) 1995
9 Haas, Tommy (GER) 1950
10 Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS) 1880

CoCo2000
08-13-2007, 10:46 AM
^^^Chyna, Girl, it takes one of the resident tennis experts to really break it down for us on the point system! :lol: Thanks, marissasensei.

I still think Fed is safe at numero uno for the remainder of this year, though. ;)

Chyna Black
08-13-2007, 11:05 AM
^^^Chyna, Girl, it takes one of the resident tennis experts to really break it down for us on the point system! :lol: Thanks, marissasensei.
I still think Fed is safe at numero uno for the remainder of this year, though. ;)
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True, Roger is safe..... :yes:

ashta
08-13-2007, 12:03 PM
I don&#39;t root for cheaters, either. I don&#39;t see Fed saying something like that if there wasn&#39;t some truth to it and if it wasn&#39;t widely known on the men&#39;s tour.

Reminds me of why it would be very difficult for me to ever be happy with a Henin win, even though I think she is one of the best players in women&#39;s tennis today. It&#39;s just hard to let go of the antics her cheating behind used against our girl in Roland Garros a few years ago. <_<
I don&#39;t think he has much to worry about regarding losing that ranking any time soon. I don&#39;t fully understand how they award the points (never have and gave up trying long ago), but the last time I checked, I think he was like two or three thousand points ahead of the number 2 player (Nadal at the moment), so I think that goal is safe. :)
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i really loved justine (her game is fantastic) before that serena incident at roland garros. i thought she was a bit unethical.

but just when i was on my way to forgiving her, she pulls that stunt on amelie at the australian open. i was like, honey, i&#39;m through with you. i still admire her game. i just could never root for her to win. she&#39;s a bit too underhanded for me.

i also tried to like hingis, even after all the trash she talked about venus and serena. but it was the french open final (why does this crap always happen at rg?) v. steffi graf that i just found so reprehensible - serving underhanded and crossing the net onto steffi&#39;s side b/c she didn&#39;t like a call. yuck.

i don&#39;t believe in winning at all costs.



Oh now Ashta.....that mafia made me :lol:
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i sometimes find jankovic amusing. and i like her movement on the court.

marissasensei
08-13-2007, 12:24 PM
Quote from Jankovic re: Sharpie

"She&#39;s still the No. 2 player in the world, and only winning one title is not something I think you should see from the No. 2 player in the world," said Jelena Jankovic, who is ranked one spot behind Sharapova, despite winning four titles this year.

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_6578652

:rolleyes: Yatch, please. I see she&#39;s clearly a follower of the Clijsters/Hingis "underperform at GSs but pile up points by winning smaller titles" school of thought. I&#39;m not a Sharpie fan by any means, but once Jankovic has a few GSs to her name, then she can talk. Maybe if she didn&#39;t wear herself out playing a tournament every friggin&#39; week and saved some of the energy she expends on court trying to look cute, she would&#39;ve gotten to a GS final by now and be able to play the system just like Sharpie (and the Williams sisters, for that matter). Until then, she needs to grab a glass of STFU and go sit on the WTA doorstep along with all the other players NOT named Williams or Henin. :rolleyes:

Chyna Black
08-13-2007, 01:27 PM
Quote from Jankovic re: Sharpie

"She&#39;s still the No. 2 player in the world, and only winning one title is not something I think you should see from the No. 2 player in the world," said Jelena Jankovic, who is ranked one spot behind Sharapova, despite winning four titles this year.

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_6578652

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Yucks.....that&#39;s alittle on the nasty side. She may have just jinx herself for the rest of the year....bad Serbian.....

GurlwithCurls
08-13-2007, 01:28 PM
LMAO :lol: thank you marissasensei for encapsulating exactly why I can&#39;t stand Janky. I read that quote she made a couple days ago. I honestly believe this girl is waaaaaaay overrated and when she actually has to defend all the points she accumulated this year, she will drop down to the 10-20 range where she belongs. She plays good defense but that&#39;s it, her serve is horrible and a whole lotta girls can outhit her. I&#39;d support her though if she didn&#39;t have such an unwarranted diva &#39;tude, weren&#39;t constantly checking her makeup during changeovers and practically laughing in her opponents&#39; faces when she&#39;s in a winning position.

From some comments she made about Ivanovic after yesterday&#39;s loss (something about how Ivanovic "serves like a man") I got the sense that she&#39;s jealous she&#39;s not Serbia&#39;s Tennis Queen Bee right now. Her younger, cuter, more talented compatriot is having a better year.

ashta
08-13-2007, 01:56 PM
like i said, jankovic can be amusing at times. :lol:

who else is talking crap like that, besides serena of course (who&#39;s one of the goat)?

she is way in the wrong, but oh well. she&#39;s good for some kicks and some discussion.

i guess i just prefer players with a little drama.

detshorty05
08-13-2007, 02:09 PM
Wheres Capriati? I thought she was back last year. Now I haven&#39;t heard from her.

Chyna Black
08-13-2007, 02:11 PM
The Serbian ladies get along better then that Gurl. I can&#39;t defend the Shriek comment, but she and Ana are better after their last match JJ said:

"She is quite powerful. She came up with great shots when she needed them. On the days when she is hitting cleanly she is very, very good," Jankovic declared. "Against Ana, there is something that does not suit my game. Some players you like to play and some players you don&#39;t. I have to stay positive and go forward though. Ana is playing quite well at the moment. She looks fresh."


Her statement about her playing like a man:

``I felt like I was playing against a guy, the way her serves were coming at me,&#39;&#39; Jankovic said. ``It&#39;s sometimes scary, and when she starts to scream, I&#39;m like, &#39;Come on.&#39; She&#39;s quite a powerful, big girl.&#39;&#39;

But hey you can read that in a bad way. Serena practices with guys to improve her returns, so I would take it as Ana was just out serving JJ.

I remember during Wimby someone ask Ana if she heard that the media labeled her the prettiest girl there, she said that would not help her game. So she does get an edge over JJ.....

marissasensei
08-13-2007, 02:15 PM
Wheres Capriati? I thought she was back last year. Now I haven&#39;t heard from her.
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Go back a few pages. I posted an article a while back about Capriati.

CoCo2000
08-13-2007, 03:19 PM
Slightly :offtop:

I&#39;m a little surprised that this thread is still going because the last couple of tennis discussion threads seemed to have gotten the plug pulled as soon as there was ONE post on page 10! :lol:

I would be like :huh: "Dang, whichever moderator shut it down is definitely not a tennis fan because I have seen other threads in the OLT forum go on and on and on before getting shutdown on page 15, 16 or 20! I guess the mods are proving me wrong with this thread because this is the longest the tennis discussion has been allowed to go without being closed that I can remember.....they are tennis fans, after all! ;)

Just kidding, mods.....I :wub: you all.

GurlwithCurls
08-13-2007, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the backstory on the Serbians, Chyna Black. I knew I was going overboard. I like to hate on Janky :P She is good for some giggles sometimes.

And as much as I&#39;ve disliked Capriati, I wish she were still around. Her rivalry with Serena was awesome, party because of great matches, partly because they couldn&#39;t stand each other :lol: Tennis was fun back in the day of JCap, Williamses, Davenport and trash-talking Martina, along with silly Anna K getting on everyone&#39;s nerves :D

CoCo2000
08-14-2007, 08:22 AM
Looks like Safin is at it again......losing in the first round in Cincinnati. :( It&#39;s really hard for me to believe he was ever # 1 in the world. I&#39;m guessing he wasn&#39;t in the top spot for too long. Does anyone know for sure?

At least his little sister was able to avoid being upset in first round of the ladies&#39; Rogers Cup. I am kind of warming up to her.

Chyna Black
08-14-2007, 08:55 AM
Is it me or could Safina and Patrova pass as sisters? No....maybe.....:unsure:

Up until I realized the gorgeous Safin I was not a fan. Outside of his good looks, he is so inconsistant that I really think he was just lucky to have that #1 title a few years back. Now he is out in the first round? WTH....There is a wave of the new talent fighting against the shore and soon the likes of Safin, Roddick, and Blake can cancel Christmas plus dreams of grand slams.

Well they can always say they played pro tennis during the reign of The Fed..... :D

Loomis Simmons
08-14-2007, 09:40 AM
:rolleyes: Yatch, please. I see she&#39;s clearly a follower of the Clijsters/Hingis "underperform at GSs but pile up points by winning smaller titles" school of thought.[/b]

The points system is garbage anyway. Take the AO this year. Serena beat the #1 (Henin, I think), which made the #2 (Sharapova) #1. Then she beat Sharapova. That rose her to...#14? What the heck was that? If you beat the #1, you should be #1, period.


I remember during Wimby someone ask Ana if she heard that the media labeled her the prettiest girl there, she said that would not help her game.[/b]

What a fantastic answer!

CoCo2000
08-14-2007, 10:48 AM
+++Oh the thumb must be feeling better! Serena will be playing Pilot Pen!! :D
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Is this the tournament that will double the US Open winnings for the person if he/she wins both tournaments? If not, which tournament is it? Do they even do that anymore? I haven&#39;t read/heard about that this season.

(I guess I could google for it on my next break.)

marissasensei
08-14-2007, 12:57 PM
The points system is garbage anyway. Take the AO this year. Serena beat the #1 (Henin, I think), which made the #2 (Sharapova) #1. Then she beat Sharapova. That rose her to...#14? What the heck was that? If you beat the #1, you should be #1, period.
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I actually don&#39;t have a problem with the rankings system. If the system is garbage, it&#39;s only because Venus and Serena mess things up by not playing any warm up tournaments and then showing up to the Grand Slams and winning them. :lol: (i.e., Who was the last player NOT named Williams who won a GS tournament with a ranking outside the top 20?) In other words, in the example you gave above, if Serena hadn&#39;t withdrawn from half the tournaments she entered in the first place, she wouldn&#39;t have been ranked so low that an AO win only moved her up to #14.

No comment re: Safin&#39;s match yesterday, but for whoever asked, Safin was only #1 for a couple of months back in 2000. It was a little while after he won the USO, but Guga ended up finishing the year #1. I think that was the year that Guga HAD to (and did!) win the YEC to finish #1. Damn, now I&#39;m thinking about how much I miss Guga.

ETA the answer to the question I raised earlier. LOL The last player NOT named Williams to win a GS with a ranking outside the Top 20 was Barbara Jordan (I know, who?) who won the 1979 AO as the #68-ranked player.

Chyna Black
08-14-2007, 01:16 PM
I actually don&#39;t have a problem with the rankings system. If the system is garbage, it&#39;s only because Venus and Serena mess things up by not playing any warm up tournaments and then showing up to the Grand Slams and winning them. :lol: (i.e., Who was the last player NOT named Williams who won a GS tournament with a ranking outside the top 20?) In other words, in the example you gave above, if Serena hadn&#39;t withdrawn from half the tournaments she entered in the first place, she wouldn&#39;t have been ranked so low that an AO win only moved her up to #14.

No comment re: Safin&#39;s match yesterday, but for whoever asked, Safin was only #1 for a couple of months back in 2000. It was a little while after he won the USO, but Guga ended up finishing the year #1. I think that was the year that Guga HAD to (and did!) win the YEC to finish #1. Damn, now I&#39;m thinking about how much I miss Guga.

ETA the answer to the question I raised earlier. LOL The last player NOT named Williams to win a GS with a ranking outside the Top 20 was Barbara Jordan (I know, who?) who won the 1979 AO as the #68-ranked player.
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and this is way I humble myself in your tennis knowledge..... :blush:

marissasensei
08-14-2007, 01:38 PM
^^^^^ :blush: I simply have an embarrassing amount of knowledge about Safin and my other faves, and turn to Google for the rest. :P

CoCo2000
08-14-2007, 03:36 PM
now I&#39;m thinking about how much I miss Guga.[/b]
:huh: By "Guga," are you referring to Gustavo (sp?) Kuerten?

marissasensei
08-14-2007, 04:01 PM
^^^^ Yep, the one and only. :wub:

This (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1380000/images/_1381858_guga300.jpg) is one of my all-time favorite tennis moments (unfortunately, couldn&#39;t find a bigger pic), but aside from that, I&#39;ll miss the sweet one-handed backhand and that distinctive (albeit mildly irritating) grunt/moan of his. :lol:

Chyna Black
08-15-2007, 12:40 PM
So Ashta said my Rafa was a one surface winner, now he is down a set against who? Monaco fella.

Should he be thinking about taking a break and really let his knee heal? Oh Rafa, you got me worried..... :(

marissasensei
08-15-2007, 12:49 PM
^^^^ Make that a set and a break.

Rafa generally doesn&#39;t play well in Cincy, so I&#39;m not particularly alarmed. I think I&#39;d rather him lose early (not THIS early, though) and rest up a little for the USO. But until then . . . Vamos, Rafito!

ETA: Make that a set and two breaks. :rolleyes:

Chyna Black
08-15-2007, 12:54 PM
Oh sweetness, he just retired. :crying: :crying:

Okay he can rest now just like you said marissasensei, Ima okay...... :blush:

marissasensei
08-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Now, I&#39;m kind of worried that he&#39;s really seriously injured. The way he was playing, he probably would&#39;ve been looking at what? Another 10 minutes on the court? That&#39;s kind of a punk move if he&#39;s not seriously injured. ^_^

ETA: According to the play-by-play on a tennis board I frequent, Rafa was getting his left arm worked on by the trainer and the commentator was saying that he was icing his arm all last week. :( Should I start the vigil now?

EATA: Nole and Carlos are playing now. Too bad this match isn&#39;t being aired live here. :( I ususally root for Nole, but wouldn&#39;t mind seeing Carlos take this one -- he&#39;s stated that his goal is to get back into the Top 10 at the ripe old age of damn-near 31, and I&#39;d love to see him make it.

Chyna Black
08-15-2007, 02:20 PM
EATA: Nole and Carlos are playing now. Too bad this match isn&#39;t being aired live here. :( I ususally root for Nole, but wouldn&#39;t mind seeing Carlos take this one -- he&#39;s stated that his goal is to get back into the Top 10 at the ripe old age of damn-near 31, and I&#39;d love to see him make it.[/b]


Well Carlos won!! I guess ND wants to rest up like Rafa..... ;)

GurlwithCurls
08-15-2007, 02:33 PM
Well go &#39;head Carlos! ;) Score one for the oldies. He&#39;s having a pretty good year. Kinda surprised Djoko went out so easily, but lots of young inexperienced players have a let-down after a huge win. I bet Feds was chomping at the bit to exact a little revenge on the Serb in the semis. No question about the eventual winner now-- Fed could hop onto the court with one good leg and beat the rest of these yahoos left in the tourny.

Marion Bartoli has finally won another match after her Wimby run. I wouldn&#39;t mind seeing her play Justine again in Toronto. It&#39;s been a month and I still laugh thinking about the whooping she put on Henin at Wimby :P

ashta
08-15-2007, 05:53 PM
ivanovic lost. invanovic lost. :pointlaugh:

CoCo2000
08-15-2007, 08:29 PM
Marion Bartoli has finally won another match after her Wimby run. I wouldn&#39;t mind seeing her play Justine again in Toronto. It&#39;s been a month and I still laugh thinking about the whooping she put on Henin at Wimby :P
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:lol: You and me, both! That was some funny stuff!!

I didn&#39;t read the article, but I saw a headline referring to Jankovic making some comment about the Serbian players taking charge. After today&#39;s results, it looks like she spoke too soon! :lol:

I just read a brief mention that Donald Young will be a wild card for the US Open. I thought he was playing in the Boys division? Or, can he participate in both the main draw and the boys? It seems like I remember someone doing that in one of the major tournaments.

Chyna Black
08-16-2007, 07:32 AM
ivanovic lost. invanovic lost. :pointlaugh:
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:dunno: Well it was a day of upsets.....Maybe JJ will win this one for the Serbia domination!!!

Bartoli won. Yeah definitely a strange day..... :huh:

marissasensei
08-16-2007, 08:25 AM
I just read a brief mention that Donald Young will be a wild card for the US Open. I thought he was playing in the Boys division? Or, can he participate in both the main draw and the boys? It seems like I remember someone doing that in one of the major tournaments.
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I&#39;m not sure what the exact rules are, but I know it&#39;s possible to compete in both divisions. I remember this past Wimbledon or F.O., seeing the name of Venus or Justine&#39;s first round opponent pop up later on in the girl&#39;s tournament. I don&#39;t remember her name, only that she was from France.

I think Donald Young probably got the wildcard solely based on his performance in Wimbledon (boys&#39; division tourney)-- I believe he got to the finals, though i can&#39;t remember if he won or not.

Chyna Black
08-16-2007, 09:27 AM
^^^^Yes he won!!

CoCo2000
08-16-2007, 10:26 AM
Mauresmo is out of the Open. :(

GurlwithCurls
08-16-2007, 11:02 AM
Mauresmo is citing injury, but I suspect she needs a mental break as well as a physical one. Her head doesn&#39;t seem to be in it. She had the year of her career in 2006 and hasn&#39;t been able to play well this year at all.

However with Mauresmo out, maybe Serena will get a top 8 seed. I think she&#39;s outside the top 8 now since she hasn&#39;t played since Wimby. But if the draw pits her and Justine in quarters for the third straight slam... :icon_headshake:

Today&#39;s Federer-Baghdatis match should be a good one. I don&#39;t think they&#39;ve played each other since the AO final in 2006.

CoCo2000
08-16-2007, 12:17 PM
Mauresmo is citing injury, but I suspect she needs a mental break as well as a physical one. Her head doesn&#39;t seem to be in it. [/b]
I was thinking the same thing because the article I read mentioned her need to fully recover from her surgery in March, but if that were really the case, it seems like she would have missed either the FO, Wimby, or both. :dunno:



Today&#39;s Federer-Baghdatis match should be a good one. I don&#39;t think they&#39;ve played each other since the AO final in 2006.
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Do you have any online links where it can be viewed? ;)

I was off work yesterday and while at my mother&#39;s, the tennis channel was showing the World Team Tennis Matches. I was so lost while trying to follow the rules of those matches that I watched, but it looked like they were having fun. It was great to see Mashona Washington and Thomas Blake out there, though. Mashona actually gave Vee a run for her money during the "match" (if it&#39;s called that) I watched of the two of them.

marissasensei
08-16-2007, 12:42 PM
Mauresmo is citing injury, but I suspect she needs a mental break as well as a physical one. Her head doesn&#39;t seem to be in it. She had the year of her career in 2006 and hasn&#39;t been able to play well this year at all.
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No offense to Momo fans, but a mental break from what exactly? Being mentally unstable? I can say this as a Safin fan, another player who takes his mental breaks during his service games, his matches, and for entire swaths of the season. :P

EATA: Roddick is down a set to David Ferrer. Sheesh -- can ANY of the seeds get it done?

Rafa was featured this week in Time Mag&#39;s "10 Questions" segment. There&#39;s a link in the article to the podcast, where you can hear the more in-depth interview -- and more Rafa English! :D The interview is about 20 minutes, but the second half is in Spanish.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1653408,00.html

10 Questions for Rafael Nadal
Wednesday, Aug. 15, 2007 By NATHAN THORNBURGH

They say you really admire Roger Federer. How can you have a rivalry with someone you admire?

Yes, I admire him, but there&#39;s really no rivalry. Roger is No. 1 in the world; I&#39;m No. 2. I&#39;m just trying to do everything I can to get as close to him as possible. But in general, I think you can maintain a rivalry while admiring your rival. When I play him, it&#39;s a special motivation to play better. On the other hand, it&#39;s just another match, no? There&#39;s a little more attention, maybe, but it&#39;s another tennis match.


Do you think your playing style relies a lot on physicality? If so, are you worried that your career might be shorter than other greats like [Andre] Agassi or [Ivan] Lendl?

I started playing very young, and if my career ends short, then it would be because I started playing younger than almost anyone else. My tennis is aggressive, though I wouldn&#39;t say that it&#39;s more physical than technical. I rely more on technique than physique, but being physical is always a help to me.


Can you explain the decline in American men&#39;s tennis?

[Andy] Roddick is No. 4, and [James] Blake is in the Top 10. So it&#39;s not bad, no? It&#39;s not the same as when [Pete] Sampras and Agassi were No. 1 and 2. But American tennis is working.


How do you feel about women tennis players earning the same salary as men?

I don&#39;t have much opinion about that. I totally agree that women and men are the same in all areas of life, but my opinion is that, well, if we are the same, then women should have to play best-of-five sets [instead of best-of-three] if they want to earn the same amount of money.


What do you think about the recent doping scandals in cycling? Do they affect the tennis world in any way?

For one, tennis is a much cleaner sport than cycling. Cycling has seen a lot of eople involved in doping recently. I think in general this is negative for the image of all sports, and anytime something like this happens, all athletes are damaged.


What&#39;s up with biting the trophy when you win a tournament?

I started doing it one day when I won my first tournament. I continued. I don&#39;t know, I just prefer that to kissing the trophies. It&#39;s one of my trademarks.


Why wear the Capri pants that you have to constantly pull out of your rear? Why not shorts?

[Laughs.] It&#39;s not the fault of the clothes. It&#39;s a habit that I picked up when I was competing when I was young. I am trying to break the habit, but it&#39;s not easy.


If you could play against any player in history, who would it be?

I&#39;d choose [Bjorn] Borg. He had such an incredible mental approach to the game. He had ice in his veins, and I&#39;d love to see what I could do against him. If I had to say, I suppose he&#39;d win.


Are you still able to lead a normal life now that you&#39;re famous?

In Mallorca, I can live a normal life. I go to the supermarket without signing autographs. That&#39;s because in my small village, everybody knows everybody. The people know me not because I am a tennis player but because I am a guy from [my hometown] Manacor.


How long does it take you to recover from a tough loss like this year&#39;s Wimbledon final?

I give 100% on the court, so I do get upset when I lose. But it doesn&#39;t take me much time to recover. The first hours after the match are tough. After a while I forget, and I look forward to the next days back home in Mallorca. I love fishing and golfing there, for example—just being with my old friends. I&#39;m a good loser.

ashta
08-16-2007, 01:11 PM
Why wear the Capri pants that you have to constantly pull out of your rear? Why not shorts?

[Laughs.] It&#39;s not the fault of the clothes. It&#39;s a habit that I picked up when I was competing when I was young. I am trying to break the habit, but it&#39;s not easy.
If you could play against any player in history, who would it be?

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:lol:

inquiring minds wanna know.

i&#39;m so glad he was asked on the record about that.

GurlwithCurls
08-16-2007, 01:21 PM
No offense to Momo fans, but a mental break from what exactly? Being mentally unstable? I can say this as a Safin fan, another player who takes his mental breaks during his service games, his matches, and for entire swaths of the season. .[/i]
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I&#39;m not a Momo fan so no offense taken :P

Honestly I think she&#39;s been sucking all year and wants to avoid another early loss at the Slams. She doesn&#39;t like playing on North American hardcourts anyway. She&#39;s taken a lot of heat for her uninspired play (especially that terrible match she played to lose to Vaidisova at Wimby) so I think she&#39;s ducking further embarassment for the time being. She&#39;s probably bummed about having such a dud year after winning two slams in 2006 and can&#39;t be inspired to play right now. Which is not a good reason to skip a slam IMO, but whatevs. I also think she has seen her last slam final. For all her physical gifts, she is a total headcase and did well to get her two slams.

Roddick out to Ferrer in straight sets :lol: sorry, my laughter is mean. I should be more supportive of America&#39;s only hope to win a slam, but he irritates me.

Bring on Feds and Bagdaddy!

marissasensei
08-16-2007, 01:26 PM
Roddick is OUT! The promoters must be tearing their hair out right about now.

But Carlos won again, so all is not completely rotten in the state of <strike>Denmark</strike> Ohio.

GurlwithCurls
08-16-2007, 01:29 PM
Coco2000 (and others who are interested), you can watch Federer-Bagdaddy at http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-cctv5.html but I think the commentary is in Chinese.

CoCo2000
08-17-2007, 08:36 AM
^^^I really hate that I didn&#39;t return to this thread yesterday to see the link to the match because judging from the final score, it was pretty interesting.



Roddick out to Ferrer in straight sets :lol: sorry, my laughter is mean. I should be more supportive of America&#39;s only hope to win a slam, but he irritates me.[/b]
ITA with this (especially the part about him being irritating), but after watching the replay of the 2nd set of his match last night, I really felt sorry for Roddick. :(

@Chyna Black:
Girl, why was your constant references to Blake as "Booty" on my mind during the entire time I watched his match last night! :lol: You are just wrong for that!

marissasensei
08-17-2007, 09:14 AM
after watching the replay of the 2nd set of his match last night, I really felt sorry for Roddick. :(
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Why? :unsure:

GurlwithCurls
08-17-2007, 11:07 AM
Here (http://www.tennisform.com) you can find links to live tennis from Toronto and Cincy! :D In languages I don&#39;t understand but still...

CoCo2000
08-17-2007, 12:08 PM
Why? :unsure:
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Because in the games I watched, it seemed like he was playing as well as he could (drenched in sweat during those last two games; I know it was hot, but it seemed more like sweat from anxiety rather than from the heat), yet he was still unable to beat someone who is not even ranked in the top 10. :icon_headshake:

Then, when he threw his racket to the ground and couldn&#39;t catch it when it bounced back towards him, I was like, "Poor thing!" :lol:



Here you can find links to live tennis from Toronto and Cincy! In languages I don&#39;t understand but still...
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Thanks for the link (again). The bolded part is a non-issue for me because most of the time when I&#39;m watching tennis with commentators who speak English, I end up using the mute button, anyway! ;)

marissasensei
08-17-2007, 12:40 PM
^^^ Oh, okay. I didn&#39;t see the match (I think Ferrer and Almagro are the forgotten Spaniards in terms of tv coverage here). The ironic thing is, the old Roddick probably would&#39;ve just been able to blast someone like Ferrer (who doesn&#39;t have any really big weapons) off the court and win the match that way.

GurlwithCurls
08-17-2007, 12:40 PM
Serena just pulled out of Pilot Pen :Angry: I can&#39;t believe this, her thumb must still be hurt and she&#39;s not gonna get far at the USO without a proper backhand.

Almagro just won the second set against Feds :huh: deciding third set now. Whether or not Roger wins this tourny he has NOT been playing well. He will have to raise his level for the last major of the year if he wants to win it. He&#39;s not as invincible on hardcourts as he is on grass.

CoCo2000
08-17-2007, 12:57 PM
Serena just pulled out of Pilot Pen :Angry: I can&#39;t believe this, her thumb must still be hurt and she&#39;s not gonna get far at the USO without a proper backhand.

Almagro just won the second set against Feds :huh: deciding third set now. Whether or not Roger wins this tourny he has NOT been playing well. He will have to raise his level for the last major of the year if he wants to win it. He&#39;s not as invincible on hardcourts as he is on grass.
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I was just about to post on these same two topics! I can&#39;t believe Federer lost that 2nd set! Now, the other little guy is getting his calf treated.

marissasensei
08-17-2007, 06:30 PM
^^^I really hate that I didn&#39;t return to this thread yesterday to see the link to the match because judging from the final score, it was pretty interesting.
ITA with this (especially the part about him being irritating), but after watching the replay of the 2nd set of his match last night, I really felt sorry for Roddick. :(

@Chyna Black:
Girl, why was your constant references to Blake as "Booty" on my mind during the entire time I watched his match last night! :lol: You are just wrong for that!
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Great. <_< Now y&#39;all got ME watching Blake and thinking "Booty." lol I&#39;m watching him play Sam "Jack Abbott" Querrey, and I find myself rooting for Querrey a little bit. I just need to accept that even though there are a million and one reasons why I should root for Blake (if only for shallow reasons!), I&#39;ll always just be lukewarm when it comes to supporting him. :(

CoCo2000
08-18-2007, 09:51 AM
Great. <_< Now y&#39;all got ME watching Blake and thinking "Booty." lol [/b]
:lol: I know, right? It&#39;s all Chyna Black&#39;s fault! She started the madness!!




I just need to accept that even though there are a million and one reasons why I should root for Blake (if only for shallow reasons!), I&#39;ll always just be lukewarm when it comes to supporting him. :([/b]
You&#39;re not alone, Sis. Although, I am hoping that since he has gotten this far, he can somehow make it to the final so that at least one American player will participate in a final of a US Open Series tournament, even if he doesn&#39;t win it. <_<

I forgot to post this yesterday. Have you guys read about this?
Black Women Who Broke Barriers To Come Together to Honor Gibson on Opening Night (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=ap-usopen-gibson&prov=ap&type=lgns)

marissasensei
08-18-2007, 02:36 PM
Article re: Serena in today&#39;s NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/sports/p...&pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/sports/playmagazine/0819play-serena.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all)
Dangerous When Interested


By SUSAN DOMINUS
Published: August 19, 2007

After nearly winning, but ultimately losing, in the quarter-finals at Wimbledon, sabotaged by a sprained thumb, Serena Williams took the long way back to Los Angeles. First she stuck around a few days to watch her sister win the tournament on Saturday. (Venus&#39;s Wimbledon victories: four. Serena&#39;s: two.) The next day she flew to New York, where she had a long layover and got a manicure, and then went on to North Carolina to see one of three specialists she would end up consulting about her thumb. Finally, late Monday, she and her boyfriend, the actor Jackie Long, arrived in Los Angeles, only to find that their luggage had gone astray. Exhausted, they went home to Serena&#39;s condo (decorated by Venus), where they relaxed until the phone rang with the news that their bags had arrived. They could have waited for the luggage to be delivered, but instead, jet-lagged and sleepy, they got in the car and headed back to the airport.

"I didn&#39;t want to take a chance," said Williams, sitting in a booth at Houston&#39;s, a chain restaurant at the Century City Mall in Los Angeles that she had chosen for lunch. "I had some great dresses I bought in London." Williams smiled, then laughed at herself, slouching back into the booth. "I got them at Harvey Nichols. I could not afford to lose those bags!" When Williams talked about tennis, she looked a little older than her 25 years; she looked the way competent people do when discussing an intractable work problem, focused and a little bit grave. When Williams talked about fashion, she became dreamy and giddy; she looked, when discussing those dresses, like she was in love.

Williams was thinking she might want to wear one of those dresses down the red carpet at the ESPYs, the ESPN awards show, for which she had returned to Los Angeles. She had already spent much of the day in hair and makeup for a photo shoot for a small fashion magazine. That evening she would spend another two to three hours having her hair done for a pre-ESPYs party she wasn&#39;t even sure she would attend. On Wednesday, she would appear at a Nike event, shoot a Hewlett-Packard Web site promo, get another manicure and spend more time in hair and makeup in preparation for the ESPYs. On Thursday, she would voluntarily submit herself to two more hours of beauty assistance for yet another shoot (for this very article). Reviewing her schedule — the planes, the appearances, the hair appointments — Williams acknowledged it was a lot. Her life, she said, "is like a rock star&#39;s." The jet lag was starting to catch up with her, and she yawned, overcome by the pace. "I don&#39;t know about everybody else, but my life is like this every day, all day."

This is not what fans of Serena Williams&#39;s game want to hear. They want to hear that every day, all day, she is perfecting the toss of her 120-mile-per-hour serve, that she is punching up her volley, that she is running sprints and pounding weights to make her game the best it can be.

For Williams, however, thinking of herself as a rock star isn&#39;t necessarily antithetical to thinking of herself as a tennis champion. When asked after losing in the 2004 Wimbledon finals what advice, as a tennis superstar, she would give to the victor, Maria Sharapova, Williams famously shot back, "I&#39;m not a tennis superstar — I&#39;m a superstar." She immediately laughed it off as a joke — "I&#39;m just kidding" — but the quote (often cited without the caveat) made the rounds, in part because it seemed to confirm to her critics something that they had been suspecting: that Williams believed she had transcended tennis and that, in indulging her ego, she had let her game suffer.

In 2003, Williams completed what she calls the Serena Slam, winning four consecutive Grand Slam tournaments and displaying such power and athleticism that she looked as if she might give women&#39;s tennis the same kind of jolt that the men&#39;s game would get from Roger Federer. That moment never arrived. The conventional critique evolved that Williams — who, in addition to tennis, enjoys modeling, fashion design and acting — had wasted her potential. Without an obvious rival other than her sister — a loaded dynamic that has often produced listless matches — she seemed to lose motivation, dropping in the rankings, gaining weight and pulling out of match after match, citing any number of injuries. She continued to play, and sometimes even won, but not with anything close to the same consistency. She confused fans by showing up occasionally as an actress on TV, and in 2006 she took a six-month break from competing altogether.

Having all but given up on Williams as a champion, serious tennis fans were stunned by her spectacular comeback at the Australian Open this past January, when a shocking loss in a tournament warm-up seemed to anger her into action. Williams went on to dominate the Open field, despite carrying what looked like an extra 15 pounds and entering the tournament ranked a lowly 81st in the world. Not long after, she defeated current No. 1-ranked Justine Henin and No. 2 Maria Sharapova to win the Sony Ericsson Open in Miami, considered the most important tournament after the Grand Slams, and then powered her way to the Wimbledon quarterfinals. She lost to Henin, but played so well, even with the injured thumb, that she walked away looking almost like the dominant force she had been at her peak.

Come the start of the United States Open on Aug. 27, Serena Williams, ranked 140th just over a year ago, is a top 10 player, as serious and exciting a contender as any player on the tour — if her thumb holds up. It&#39;s not a small if. By midsummer, Williams&#39;s famous father, Richard, felt she should pass up the Open in favor of letting her injuries heal properly. At this moment in tennis, even if Venus plays, and plays well, but Serena doesn&#39;t, the tournament will suffer from a deficit of Williams family charisma, not to mention sheer tennis talent. The Open could be the tournament that determines whether women&#39;s tennis has its two most vibrant players back, or whether one of them has just been visiting.

"I cannot imagine Serena Williams coming back from this," NBC&#39;s commentator Mary Carillo announced midway through Williams&#39;s fourth-round match at Wimbledon. Minutes earlier, Williams, who had allowed her 10th-seed opponent, Daniela Hantuchova, back into a match that had been one-sided, suddenly grabbed her leg, winced and smacked her calf three times with her racket. She tried to take another step, then fell with surprising grace to the grass. After a trainer applied ice to her calf, Williams let out a blood-curdling shriek. A cramp, the commentators theorized; later, her father would say her calf muscle had suffered a small tear. Either way, it took Williams more than 10 minutes to get up on her feet. Wiping tears from her eyes, she hobbled to the base line. She looked like she was going to put up a brave but ultimately losing fight — she managed to hit a 110-m.p.h. serve off one leg, but couldn&#39;t run — until clouds that had been darkening finally let loose. A rain delay. The commentators were beside themselves. "Awfully entertaining," Ted Robinson gushed. "Very dramatic tennis," John McEnroe said later in the broadcast.

Even better, Williams returned after an hour and 50 minutes and stunned the crowd, dominating Hantuchova with power strokes while moving nimbly on her feet. The match, in retrospect, was like one extended metaphor for the arc of Williams&#39;s career: She started off strong, then faltered for a while before succumbing to a dramatic breakdown in play. And then, just when spectators and fans had no choice but to assume she would never recover, she came back a winner.

Throughout the Wimbledon match, the commentators&#39; remarks revealed a preoccupation with Williams&#39;s complicated relationship with the sport. McEnroe commented on "how much less of her there is," referring to her weight. During her calf crisis, he speculated vaguely about whether that injury might correlate to a lack of conditioning, and the drama inspired Carillo to squeeze in a dig about Williams&#39;s other aspirations. "She could star in her own made-for-television movie," she said. "And it would be ongoing."

If anything, tennis professionals have been harder on Serena Williams than even the tennis public has; it&#39;s as if, in taking that six-month break, in letting herself put on those extra pounds, in appearing on some TV shows, Williams was forgoing a kind of national service to fans and the tour. "She&#39;s earning a ton of the money that generations of WTA women have built," says Pam Shriver, an ESPN tennis commentator and a tennis Hall of Famer. Indeed, Williams has certainly succeeded on that front, thus far earning nearly $18 million in prize money and far more in endorsements from Wilson, Estée Lauder, McDonald&#39;s, Wrigley&#39;s and especially Nike (which awarded her a five-year, $40 million contract shortly after the Serena Slam). In 2007, she ranked 69th on Forbes&#39;s list of the 100 most powerful celebrities, one spot above Michelle Wie. Among women in sports, only Maria Sharapova ranked higher.

As an athlete, Williams doesn&#39;t seem to consider Sharapova or Henin — or any other woman who isn&#39;t her sister, for that matter — too much of a serious threat. "I thought I was going to win Wimbledon," Serena said, attempting to explain what happened in England, when she fell to Henin in the quarters. She was finishing a gumbo soup that the blushing waitress at Houston&#39;s had brought to her in record time. "I would have won if I could have hit a backhand, but I could not." The reason? The thumb. "My hand is all taped, I&#39;m trying to hide it. . . . Finally, she caught on." Williams laughed. "She started hitting every ball to my backhand." In print, Williams sounds ungracious when she doesn&#39;t give winners their due. Between bites of gumbo, she sounded honest. "There&#39;s no need to lie about it," she said. "I was playing well, and I would have won." She obviously wanted that win, and badly. "Eight is not nearly enough for my potential," Williams said, referring to the number of Grand Slam titles already in her possession. "I feel like I have a lot more to do.

"In person, Serena Williams&#39;s shoulders are broader than expected, her waist and hips narrower. She may be dressed in a gold tank, gold ballet slippers and pedal-pusher jeans, but it&#39;s her face that&#39;s mesmerizing, with its photogenic, dramatic planes and features large enough for fake lashes to look appropriately proportioned. Her manner, gracious and upfront, lies halfway between the hyper-feminine breathiness she offers up for TV talk shows and the tough, stony-faced impassiveness she displays on the court.

Obviously tired, Williams wanted nothing more than to go home that evening and sleep, but there were hours of styling yet to endure. She had been lazily picking at some ribs on Long&#39;s plate and suddenly regretted it, perhaps thinking of the photo ops ahead at the ESPYs. "I ate too many," Williams said, turning to face Long. "I had too many ribs." For an instant, her boyfriend&#39;s face betrayed the familiar look of panic that men experience at such moments — what&#39;s the right answer? "That&#39;s good," he said. "You don&#39;t have to eat anymore later tonight."

Within a few minutes, the two had piled into Long&#39;s Scion, headed for the hair salon. Williams looked out the window, making idle conversation. "Do you know Sprinkles?" she asked. "It&#39;s a cupcake place. I don&#39;t go there anymore." A brief, wistful silence. "I had to cut Sprinkles out of my life." She no longer sounded like the hard-driving champion convinced she could have taken Wimbledon; she sounded like any other woman struggling with the tedium of trying to stay fit. She watched, perhaps stricken by a small bout of guilt, as a small blond woman with a ponytail jogged down Bedford Avenue. "I need to do what this girl is doing," Williams said without any enthusiasm.

If Serena Williams has had phases of her life when she couldn&#39;t face another wind sprint, that would be understandable. When she started playing tennis, at 3 or 4 years old, she probably didn&#39;t realize she was signing on for a life of service to the game, as if agreeing at that tender age to a contract with a community that would expect her to play her best for as long as she was physically able.

The Williams family&#39;s tennis history, which started in the 1980s, already has the feel of hoary lore: how Richard Williams decided, after watching one woman professional earn more than $40,000 for four days of work, that he and his wife would have two daughters they would train to be tennis stars; how he taught Serena and Venus himself, using videos and books to help guide him. Richard, the son of a sharecropper in Shreveport, La., says he raised his kids as if they were living in the &#39;50s, a bastion of old-fashioned values in the middle of gang-infested Compton, a city south of Los Angeles. After school, Isha, Yetunde and Lyndrea would follow their mother, Oracene, their stepfather and their two younger half-sisters to the court, where they all fed and picked up balls for the girls until it was time to go home. "It wasn&#39;t until I got to college that I realized that our lives" — the 10 p.m. mandatory bedtime till age 18, the absence of friends, the family-wide devotion to the two young girls&#39; tennis game — "weren&#39;t what other people considered normal," says Isha Price, the oldest surviving sister and an attorney who helps handle some of Venus&#39;s and Serena&#39;s business affairs. As they got older, their father&#39;s tough love materialized on signs he posted around the practice courts. "Venus, when you fail, you fail alone," one read.

Discouraged from playing with the other kids in the neighborhood, the five sisters were inseparable. They shared a single room with four beds, meaning Serena bunked with a different sister every night. Serena always particularly admired Venus, only 15 months her senior. She "looked up to Venus so much she was Venus," Price says. The family would make Serena order first at restaurants so she wouldn&#39;t simply default to her sister&#39;s choice; no matter what color she claimed as her favorite, she often chose to wear green, Venus&#39;s favorite. Her desire to catch up to Venus in tennis, Serena said at the Australian Open, shaped an ongoing desire to upend expectations — to surprise those who doubted her talents. "I love doubters," she said. "Ever since I was young, even when I came on tour, it was Venus, Venus, Venus, Venus. Oh, and the little sister. My whole goal in life was just to prove people wrong."

Eventually, the little sister prevailed. Today she is considered the stronger player; she heads into the month of the Open ranked No. 8, compared with Venus&#39;s rank of 16, despite the victory at Wimbledon.

Richard Williams, now divorced from Oracene, has never been coy about what drew him to tennis: to make wealthy women of his daughters. "Richard&#39;s ambition propelled the girls into a celebrity lifestyle," says the narrator of the 2002 DVD "Raising Tennis Aces: The Williams Story," a film that was authorized by Richard Williams and that glorifies him as father, coach and inspiration even as it reveals his tight control over his young daughters. "He was keen to see his daughters make money."

Financial comfort, family closeness, staying healthy — even people who ultimately quarreled with Richard Williams, like the sisters&#39; early coach Rick Macci, would concede that his daughters&#39; well-being was the priority in the Williams household, more so than their place in history. "If someone asked you today who won Wimbledon in 1885, do you know? Do you care?" Richard Williams asked. Reached by phone, his voice tinny over a bad connection and his deep Louisiana accent still strong, he had the sound of an old-time prophet. "Americans only care about who won this year. They don&#39;t even care who won last year. My daughters were taught that there&#39;s a life beyond the base line."

For all of Richard Williams&#39;s grandstanding, for all of his sideline provocations, both Serena and Venus have benefited from his ambitions: they&#39;re both successful, rich and, from all outward appearances, relatively happy. In the process of gaining all that wealth and acclaim, they&#39;ve already changed women&#39;s tennis for the better, making it a more athletic, crowd-pleasing game, adding glitz and style to a formerly staid sport. Even those who expect more of the Williams sisters would have to admit that at 25 and 27 they&#39;ve already given more than most.

Serena Williams did decide to go to that pre-ESPYs party the Tuesday after Wimbledon, but was home by midnight and up early the next morning for the Hewlett-Packard shoot at the Beverly Hills Country Club. Her opponent was to be a pineapple perched atop the head of Jason "Wee-Man" Acuna, a 4-foot-7 athlete and comedian best known for his work on the MTV prank show "Jackass." Williams&#39;s job was to remove the pineapple using her serve.

She started warming up, and the whiz of the ball rose incrementally in pitch as her serve&#39;s speed increased. "That was about 112," she said. She twisted her torso, then rose up balletically, almost en pointe, and hit another. "119." Looking over at Wee-Man beaming in his tennis whites at the service line, a brazen and willing target, she stopped to laugh. "I wish you all the luck in the world," she called over to him before commencing her assault. "I don&#39;t have good aim." A few serves later (including one that left Wee-Man with a good-size welt on his thigh) she nailed the pineapple, sending it tumbling to the court. Wee-Man ran up to Williams to shake hands, then faked her out, running his hand through his hair instead. When he pulled it off a second time, he ran away, and Williams gamely chased him with her racket, hamming it up easily for the camera.

Williams&#39;s approach to extracurriculars has shown discipline only in the sense that she has seemed reluctant to do any of them half-heartedly. She went all-out Hollywood as her tennis career took off, about midway through the Serena Slam in 2003. She dated the director and bachelor-about-town Brett Ratner. She starred along with her sister in a reality television show for the ABC Family network called "Venus & Serena: For Real." She broke up with Ratner on the show ("Is this the breakup episode?" Ratner cracked for the camera). She guest-starred in an episode of "ER" and a trio of cop shows: "Law & Order," "The Division" and "Street Time." And she started a fashion line, Aneres, which is still in its infancy and has yet to make it into stores.

Critics of Williams complain that all the energy expended on acting and fashion leaves her less time to play and makes her vulnerable to injury; Williams would argue that she has merely taken advantage of downtime to pursue her other interests. She tore a quadriceps in the spring of 2003 and had surgery in August. She cut down her schedule so she could heal and indulge in a little acting.

The injury was the first of many that dragged her game down. There was a rib malfunction, an abdominal injury, gastrointestinal illness, a sprained left ankle and a groin injury. The loss to Sharapova in the 2004 Wimbledon finals was the start of a slow decline, during which she withdrew from tournament after tournament, citing injury. In 2004, for the first time since 1999, she dropped out of the top 10. She came back with a victory at the Australian Open in 2005 but, after that, was eliminated before the semifinals in all but one of her next nine events. Most damaging was a loss in the second round of a Beijing tournament, to a player ranked 127th.

Suddenly, and painfully, Williams wasn&#39;t hearing from Nike as often, and Sharapova, whom the company had signed right after she defeated Williams at Wimbledon, seemed to be the new favorite face.

Assuming the role of tennis den mother, Chris Evert took it upon herself to give Williams a stern talking to in the pages of Tennis magazine. In an open letter to Williams in the May 2006 issue, she wrote that Williams&#39;s career had been troubling her: didn&#39;t she ever consider her place in history? Williams&#39;s distractions, Evert warned, were tarnishing her legacy. "I don&#39;t see how acting and designing clothes can compare with the pride of being the best tennis player in the world," she wrote. "Your other accomplishments just can&#39;t measure up to what you can do with a racket in your hand."

Around the time Evert wrote the letter, Williams hadn&#39;t been acting at all. She had been taking a six-month break in Florida, hanging out with her family and her dogs, trying to pull herself together, doing what Jill Smoller, her agent at the William Morris Agency, calls "some physical and emotional healing."

In September 2003, the oldest Williams sister, Yetunde, a nurse, was shot and killed in Compton by a bullet reportedly intended for a man with her in a car. From the circumstances of her death, one might imagine that she had led a life far outside the boundaries of her sisters&#39; circle. In fact, Yetunde and Serena were quite close; when Serena tore her quad just a few months earlier, for example, Yetunde had checked in every day, attending to her care. For years, Williams never spoke publicly about what happened, about how close they&#39;d been or how she had been the first in the family to get the call with the news. Just as Williams had tried to play through her injury, she had apparently tried to play through the tragedy, literally and figuratively, filling her schedule with guest spots and red carpets and tournaments. Finally, it caught up with her, in a way that was so overwhelming that Williams will talk about it only in near code: "I went through some things in my life, things I&#39;ve never spoken about, that were extremely painful. Things that happened to me on an emotional level . . . and other things. I think it would have been abnormal not to have been sidetracked — like, does this girl have feelings?"

Smoller elaborates: "If you keep playing and moving on, and moving on, and the tragedy&#39;s not dealt with, and you get injured, you eventually have to deal with the emotions and the hurt and the pain."

After her surprise win at the Australian Open this year, Williams spoke about her sister, dedicating her win to Yetunde in tears. And though she may be too private to bare her soul on "Oprah," she poured her heart out to her fans on her blog, thanking them for sticking with her: "One day you are on top of the world, and the next day you are fighting to hold on . . . physically and mentally. U grasp onto a small string that&#39;s holding U between sanity and insanity . . . groping in the dark trying to find the light that can lead u out of the dark tunnel . . . then and only then u find . . . the true people that are your friends . . . the ones that are willing to be there for you whether or not you are extremely successful, or just normal." At times, she nearly let go of that string, she wrote, and thanked her fans, her family and Jehovah for helping her hold on.

"I tried to develop a better relationship with God," Williams, who was raised a Jehovah&#39;s Witness, told me over the phone. "You have a strong solid foundation, the Bible says, you won&#39;t crack, but the man who built his house in the sand, his house went down spiritually. I have a really strong foundation. That&#39;s how I was raised." Williams was never a lapsed Jehovah&#39;s Witness — even after she was famous, she claimed she still occasionally proselytized door to door. But as she tried to pull herself together in Florida, she renewed her commitment to her religion, attending Jehovah&#39;s Witness meetings three times a week.

In contrast to another former child star (and Grand Slam champion), Jennifer Capriati, who recently spoke openly about her ongoing struggles with depression, Williams seems to have moved out of whatever emotional low she&#39;d been caught in. Capriati expressed disappointment at her agency and the United States Tennis Association, feeling that they had abandoned her once she was injured. "I had no idea," Williams said upon hearing of Capriati&#39;s troubles, her feelings of abandonment. "But that&#39;s why for me I&#39;ve always done different things. You can only play tennis for so long."

That may in part explain why Williams so easily dismissed Chris Evert&#39;s very public critique. "Very public in the tennis world," Williams qualified, "which is a small world." It&#39;s an important point for her — and not just in the context of Evert&#39;s criticism, which she says she didn&#39;t read. "If you think of the tennis world, it&#39;s not that big," she said. "There&#39;s the big picture, people dying overseas in the war, and people giving to charities, and people changing lives. . . . Tennis, in comparison, is not that big. And if you keep it in perspective, you can play even better. If I lose, you know what? I lose."

For the casual spectator, that sentiment has the sound of sanity. For die-hard sports fans, it&#39;s near blasphemy. "When you want to be the best in the world in anything," Pam Shriver says, "balance isn&#39;t always part of the equation." Either Williams isn&#39;t interested in being the best or she has a different idea of what it takes. She plans to start auditioning for movie and television roles in the fall.

The afternoon of the ESPYs, Serena Williams showed up at the red carpet celebrity-style, fashionably late and with a large entourage. She wore a white Grecian chiffon dress by the up-and-coming designer Rachel Roy, and wore her hair piled atop her head. A gold necklace dangled deep in her cleavage, and the rhinestones on her Christian Dior sandals sparkled. Her shoulders shimmered with gold-flecked powder. "Is that Beyoncé?" someone wondered aloud. "She&#39;s a fashion icon," said another, clearly knowing it was Williams.

In that same post-Wimbledon interview in which Williams referred to herself as a superstar, she had gone on to describe her level of celebrity as "that Britney Spears thing." She regularly says of her body type that she&#39;s no "Mary-Kate Olsen." She told me at one point that she doesn&#39;t want to be written about like Paris Hilton, although don&#39;t get her wrong — Hilton is a "really nice girl," she says. Practically as often as she&#39;s comparing herself to Henin or Sharapova, Williams is placing herself in context among the gossip world&#39;s No. 1 players. Those kinds of references, of course, reflect a typical twentysomething celebrity fixation — Williams can carry on a conversation with one friend while texting another on one of her two P.D.A.&#39;s and simultaneously checking for news about Nicole Richie&#39;s latest courtroom drama. But Williams also seems to want to believe that if she begins an acting career while she still has her Nikes in the tennis game, she has a chance at maintaining the same level of celebrity she has had as a world champion. In becoming an awards show presenter, an attender of premieres, a host of high-profile parties, a presence at fashion shows, a guest star on prime-time dramas, Williams may indeed hope to transcend the game. But her association with this other kind of fame may prove just the opposite — a relic of a certain moment of see-and-be-seen, TMZ.com-style celebrity, as dated as Chris Evert&#39;s tennis bracelet.

Then again, there is one more possibility, a story line that breaks the beloved traditional sports narrative, the one that requires single-minded sacrifice to be the best. Maybe Williams will perplex and irk the pros and the fans by continuing to win tournaments while acting on the side.

Shortly before her strong showing at Wimbledon this year, Williams appeared on a popular British talk show, "Friday Night With Jonathan Ross," which has the witty, irreverent Ross as host. Williams was resplendent in a short red dress with a striking V-neck, prompting Ross to pronounce her a "spectacular hunk of woman."

Williams was playing that evening, as she often does in televised appearances, the part of the perfect Southern belle, well trained in the art of the intimate smile, the forefinger sweep of a single strand of hair, the batting of her eyelashes. Why did her game fall down at the French Open? She didn&#39;t have her lucky shower sandals! Isn&#39;t women&#39;s tennis just as interesting to watch as men&#39;s? Why, yes — and she particularly likes watching her sister Venus. Ross doesn&#39;t so much interview his guests as set them up for charming quips, so it was obvious what he was going for when he asked, in the closing moments, what she thought about women playing men — whether she thought, for example, she could beat Ross in a tennis match.

In an instant, every aspect of her body language changed. The mask of gentility fell, and her game face appeared — the face the people who know her best would instantly recognize as hers. She was apparently willing to take the part of the aspiring Hollywood starlet only so far before she needed to set one thing straight.

"Oh my God, yeah," she said quickly, all but baring her teeth. "I&#39;d kill you."

Susan Dominus is a contributing writer to The New York Times Magazine.

CoCo2000
08-18-2007, 04:19 PM
Article re: Serena in today&#39;s NY Times:[/b]
:huh: Was that an article or a mini-book?! :lol:



In print, Williams sounds ungracious when she doesn&#39;t give winners their due. Between bites of gumbo, she sounded honest. "There&#39;s no need to lie about it," she said. "I was playing well, and I would have won."

Financial comfort, family closeness, staying healthy — even people who ultimately quarreled with Richard Williams, like the sisters&#39; early coach Rick Macci, would concede that his daughters&#39; well-being was the priority in the Williams household, more so than their place in history. "If someone asked you today who won Wimbledon in 1885, do you know? Do you care?" Richard Williams asked. Reached by phone, his voice tinny over a bad connection and his deep Louisiana accent still strong, he had the sound of an old-time prophet. "Americans only care about who won this year. They don&#39;t even care who won last year. My daughters were taught that there&#39;s a life beyond the base line."

For all of Richard Williams&#39;s grandstanding, for all of his sideline provocations, both Serena and Venus have benefited from his ambitions: they&#39;re both successful, rich and, from all outward appearances, relatively happy. In the process of gaining all that wealth and acclaim, they&#39;ve already changed women&#39;s tennis for the better, making it a more athletic, crowd-pleasing game, adding glitz and style to a formerly staid sport. Even those who expect more of the Williams sisters would have to admit that at 25 and 27 they&#39;ve already given more than most.

"But that&#39;s why for me I&#39;ve always done different things. You can only play tennis for so long."

That may in part explain why Williams so easily dismissed Chris Evert&#39;s very public critique. "Very public in the tennis world," Williams qualified, "which is a small world." It&#39;s an important point for her — and not just in the context of Evert&#39;s criticism, which she says she didn&#39;t read. "If you think of the tennis world, it&#39;s not that big," she said. "There&#39;s the big picture, people dying overseas in the war, and people giving to charities, and people changing lives. . . . Tennis, in comparison, is not that big. And if you keep it in perspective, you can play even better. If I lose, you know what? I lose."[/b]
These were my favorite parts of that mini-book, eh, I mean, article. I was glad to see the writer honest enough to admit the bolded part in print.

marissasensei
08-19-2007, 03:20 PM
It&#39;s official: I really don&#39;t like Janky. How do I know? I actively cheered for JHexH during their match today. :lol:

On the men&#39;s side, for some reason the men&#39;s final wasn&#39;t shown here. Judging from the scoreline and match stats, I didn&#39;t miss much and probably would&#39;ve been fighting the urge to throw things at the television.

GurlwithCurls
08-20-2007, 08:16 AM
Yesterday was one of the rare occasions I was pulling for Janky (I&#39;ll root for her when she plays JH or Shriekapova ;) ). She&#39;s got a real problem with Justine. She always races out to these leads and then chokes the matches away. No question JH is the better player, but Janky should have been able to beat her at least once on hardcourts.

As for Fed vs. Blake, that was like watching a lamb being led to slaughter :unsure: Fed has still got it!

Chyna Black
08-20-2007, 09:30 AM
Okay a couple of things off the bat:

Thanks marissasensei for posting that mini book, I heard Mary Carillo (sp?) mention it yesterday during Roger&#39;s beatdown of the Booty. ;) Its amazing to me how Serena can be crucified about having outside interest when every time I turn my television I see Maria suggesting I make every shot a power shot.

It was a good article about Richard teaching his girls about life outside of tennis. Go hard or go home. I believe Serena is still interesting in tennis, but she has to be physically fit to compete. She is a champion and expects that every time she steps onto a court she is going to win. You can&#39;t be that way and not be fit 100%, it may work sometimes. Leave my girl alone.

She will be at the open taking names.

Okay why did the Booty even show up yesterday. I guess to be happy in Roger&#39;s presence because he left his game at home.

What is it about Henin that my Serbia star can&#39;t get past her? She needs to play her game! JJ was trying to do too much against Henin.

And lastly, will this thread be open forever, ever, ever??????

marissasensei
08-20-2007, 09:55 AM
What is it about Henin that my Serbia star can&#39;t get past her? She needs to play her game! JJ was trying to do too much against Henin.
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I think the problem isn&#39;t with Henin; it&#39;s between Janky&#39;s ears. She&#39;s not as mentally tough as she needs to be (i.e., as tough as Henin, Sharpie, and Serena). The moment when Janky cares more about destroying her opponent than looking cute and playing to the crowd, that&#39;s when she will be able to beat the Henins of the world; until then, I would consider her in that second tier dominated by mentally unstable Russians (like Zvonareva, Myskina, Petrova, Safina, etc.) who can&#39;t get out of their own way long enough to beat the opponent on the other side of the net.

Chyna Black
08-20-2007, 10:37 AM
^^^Ouch, you cut me deep.... :surrender: But you only speak the truth.

Donald Young is playing Pilot. He won his first match yesterday and will play against Davydenko. I would love to watch him, but they will not be showing tennis until Wednesday. Next week in my parts we will have the Tennis Channel! Happy, happy, joy, joy!! :wub:

ashta
08-20-2007, 06:58 PM
I think the problem isn&#39;t with Henin; it&#39;s between Janky&#39;s ears. She&#39;s not as mentally tough as she needs to be (i.e., as tough as Henin, Sharpie, and Serena). The moment when Janky cares more about destroying her opponent than looking cute and playing to the crowd, that&#39;s when she will be able to beat the Henins of the world; until then, I would consider her in that second tier dominated by mentally unstable Russians (like Zvonareva, Myskina, Petrova, Safina, etc.) who can&#39;t get out of their own way long enough to beat the opponent on the other side of the net.
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i would also add that her weapons are not nearly as devastating as serena&#39;s, venus&#39;, henin&#39;s or even pova when she&#39;s playing well.

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here&#39;s a player we should look out for at the us open. asia muhammad, a chocolate 16-year-old girl out of nevada. :D she got a wildcard for the maindraw i believe.

Junior Spotlight of the Week: Asia Muhammad

9/28/06 6:20 PM

Asia Muhammad
© juniortennis.com



Birthdate: April 4, 1991
Birthplace: Long Beach, Calif.
Residence: Las Vegas, Nev.
Plays: Right-handed; two-handed backhand
Asia Muhammad has shown over the last few years that she is one of the most talented junior players in the United States. Consistently ranked in the top 10 since 2003, the 15-year-old right-hander has continued her impressive results at a number of tournaments this year, including last weekend’s Mike Agassi NO QUIT Championships, a USTA Level 3 tournament held in her hometown of Las Vegas.

Seeded first in the girls’ 18s draw, Muhammad lived up to her top billing, opening the tournament with a 6-0, 6-0 win over Stephanie Griffin and then never looking back. She cruised through all five of her matches without dropping a set, including the final, where she upended No. 5 seed Emilee Malvehy, 6-4, 6-4.

Muhammad’s performance last weekend is just the latest in what has been an impressive career for the young right-hander. Earlier this year, she took home her sixth gold ball by capturing the doubles title at the USTA National Clay Court Championships. She also finished runner-up in doubles and reached the singles quarterfinals at the girls’ 16 Easter Bowl and advanced to the singles final and doubles semifinals at the girls’ 18 Muterspaw Championships, a USTA Level 3 event.

Last year, her highlights included winning the girls’ 16 doubles titles at the USTA National Clay Courts and the Easter Bowl, as well as the doubles title at Les Petits As, the prestigious 14-and-under event held annually in France.

In 2004, she picked up three national championships, taking home doubles titles at the girls’ 14 USTA National Hard Court Championships, the USTA National Clay Court Championships and the Easter Bowl.

Muhammad is currently ranked 11th in the country in the girls’ 16s and 26th in the girls’ 18s.

– Sally Milano, USTA.com


RANKING HISTORY
2006 – 5* (USTA 14s), 9* (USTA 16s)
2005 – 3* (USTA 14s), 7* (USTA 16s)
2004 – 4* (USTA 14s)
2003 – 5* (USTA 12s)
* Denotes highest ranking achieved during the year.

JUNIOR HIGHLIGHTS

2006

Won the girls’ 18 singles title at Mike Agassi&#39;s NO QUIT Championships, a USTA L3 event held in Las Vegas.
Won the girls’ 18 doubles title (with Brittany Augustine) at the USTA National Clay Court Championships.
Finished runner-up in singles and reached the doubles semifinals (with Tara Eckel) at the girls’ 18 Muterspaw Championships.
Was a doubles finalist (with Keri Wong) and singles quarterfinalist at the girls’ 16 Easter Bowl, USTA Spring National Championships.
2005

Advanced to the doubles semifinals (with Daisha Hill Hurtado) at the girls’ 16 Orange Bowl.
Reached the doubles semifinals (with Brittany Augustine) at the girls’ 18 Chanda Rubin Evert American ITF Jr Circuit 2005, an ITF Grade 4 event.
Finished runner-up in doubles (with Jade Frampton) at the girls’ 16 Wilson Jr. Championships.
Won the doubles title (with Brittany Augustine) at the girls’ 16 USTA National Clay Court Championships.
Was a doubles finalist (with Brittany Augustine) at the girls’ 14 BNP Paribas Cup in Paris.
Reached the singles semifinals at the girls’ 16 Roxy Junior Championships.
Finished runner-up in singles and doubles (with Brittany Augustine) at the girls’ 16 USTA National Open Championships in Elk Grove, Calif.
Won the doubles title (with Brittany Augustine) and advanced to the singles quarterfinals at the girls’ 16 Easter Bowl, USTA Spring National Championships.
Reached the doubles semifinals (with Brittany Augustine) and the singles quarterfinals at the Chanda Rubin ITF Junior Circuit - College Station, Texas.
Was a singles semifinalist at the girls’ 16 USTA National Open Championships, held in February in Lakewood, Calif.
Won the doubles title (with Brittany Augustine) at Les Petits As, the most prestigious 14-and-under event in the world held annually in Tarbes, France.
Advanced to the singles semifinals and doubles quarterfinals (with Brittany Augustine) at Teen Tennis, another big event for players’ aged 14-and-under, held in Telford, England.
2004

Reached the singles quarterfinals at the girls’ 14 Junior Orange Bowl.
Won the girls’ 14 doubles title (with Krista Damico) and reached the singles quarterfinals at the USTA National Hard Court Championships.
Won the girls’ 14 doubles title (with Krista Damica) and reached the singles semifinals at the USTA National Clay Court Championships.
Advanced to the singles semifinals at the girls’ 16 USTA National Open Championships, held in July in Lakewood, Calif.
Swept the singles and doubles titles (with Shauna Morgan) at the girls’ 14 USTA National Open Championships held in May in Park City, Utah.
Finished runner-up in singles at the girls’ 14 Muterspaw Championships.
Won the girls’ 14 doubles title (with Krista Damico) at the Easter Bowl, USTA National Spring Championships.
2003

Reached the singles semifinals at the girls’ 14 California Bowl.
Advanced to the doubles quarterfinals (with Jordana Kono) at the girls’ 12 USTA Super National Clay Court Championships.
Was a singles quarterfinalist at the girls’ 12 Roxy Open.
PERSONAL

Began playing tennis at age 8.
Favorite playing surface is hard court.
Is coached by Tim Bienkiron.
Enjoys shopping, hanging out with friends, movies, computers and music in her spare time.

CoCo2000
08-20-2007, 07:43 PM
here&#39;s a player we should look out for at the us open. asia muhammad, a chocolate 16-year-old girl out of nevada. :D she got a wildcard for the maindraw i believe.

Junior Spotlight of the Week: Asia Muhammad
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Thanks so much for sharing this article. I :wub: :wub: :wub: hearing about young Black players (American or otherwise), especially if they are playing well. I googled her name and read an article that said she attended Andre Agassi&#39;s Tennis school. One more reason for me to like Agassi. ;)

http://www.vegastennis.com/articles/2007/jun/06/no_name/tb-asia.jpg

http://www.vegastennis.com/articles/2007/feb/28/asia_muhammad_victory__in_defeat/tb-asiaclose_copy.jpg

http://tennisrecruiting.net/img/articles/AsiaMuhammad1.jpg

Doesn&#39;t she have the most beautiful skin?

ashta
08-21-2007, 05:41 AM
yes and i love her in the hot pink. so cute.

Chyna Black
08-21-2007, 07:33 AM
:wub: A Young American BLACK, because I like black better then African-American and that&#39;s other topic all together, lady! I will add her name to my repertorie! She looks long! I wonder how tall she is and since she is just 16 when she hits another growing sprout how she can improve.

I likey young tennis..... :blush:

GurlwithCurls
08-22-2007, 10:50 AM
USO draws (http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/ws/index.html)

I&#39;ve only looked at the women so far. Serena, Venus, Justine, Jankovic and Ivanovic all on same half. Sharapova conveniently on the other half. Who did her Russian mafia father buy off? :Angry: Another Serena-Justine quarterfinal. Shrieky gets a cakewalk to the final. Excuse me while I have a heart attack.

ashta
08-22-2007, 10:51 AM
the draw is out and i&#39;m so dang pizzizzd i don&#39;t know what to do.

serena is in the same quarter as justine. venus, jankovic and ivanovic are in the same quarter. and all of these players are in the same half. :rolleyes:

and as usual, pova has a cupcake draw. :Angry: nobody in her entire half is a real threat. she&#39;s pretty much got a clear path to the final. vaidisova and chak are in her half but vaidisova&#39;s been injured and chak always rolls over for pova.

i don&#39;t believe this crap.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/ws/index.html

marissasensei
08-22-2007, 11:11 AM
USO draws (http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/ws/index.html)

I&#39;ve only looked at the women so far. Serena, Venus, Justine, Jankovic and Ivanovic all on same half. Sharapova conveniently on the other half. Who did her Russian mafia father buy off? :Angry: Another Serena-Justine quarterfinal. Shrieky gets a cakewalk to the final. Excuse me while I have a heart attack.
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I&#39;m not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but it does look hella suspicious that Sharpie miraculously ends up never having to play any of the top players until the QF, SF, etc.

On the men&#39;s side, Rafa and Safin are in the same quarter. Luckily, none of Rafa&#39;s traditional hardcourt nemeses (nemesises? lol) -- Youzhny, Blake, Berdych -- are in his quarter, so hopefully he will at least get to the second week.

ETA: You know, I&#39;m not trying to play devil&#39;s advocate, but in looking over the women&#39;s draw, I&#39;m realizing that the real problem might just be a result of the lack of depth overall -- there are only about a half dozen women who have a snowball&#39;s chance of winning the whole tournament. Based on the rankings of her opponents, Sharpie&#39;s quarter isn&#39;t really any more or less difficult than any of the others. Actually, the only player who I think might have legitimate reason to be peeved is Janky (#3), who has to beat Ana (#5) to get out of the quarters. Here are the rankings of the seeded players in each quarter

Sharpie (2)
Chaka (6)
Crazy Patty (11)
Vaidisova (13)
Peer (18)
Mirza (26)
Schiavone (24)
Radwanska (30)
(Average ranking of ranked players: 16--16.25, to be exact)

Kuznetsova (4)
Petrova (7)
Hantuchova (9)
Hingis (16)
Srebotnik (22)
Garbin (23)
Medina Garrigues (31)
Krajicek (32)
(Average rank: 18)

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Top half of draw:

Henin (1)
S Williams (8)
Bartoli (10)
Safina (15)
Golovin (17)
Safarova (20)
Zvonareva (27)
Sugiyama (28)
(Average rank: 16 --15.75, to be exact)

Jankovic (3)
Ivanovic (5)
V Williams (12)
Dementieva (14)
Bammer (19)
Bondarenko (21)
Santangelo (25)
Stosur (29)
(Average rank: 16)

GurlwithCurls
08-22-2007, 11:22 AM
Rafa could also meet Nalbandian or Tursunov early. Both those guys have been slumping, but I see them as real threats to Rafito. I don&#39;t think his draw is easy at all. But the top seed who really got screwed was Djokovic! First round against Ancic, second round against Stepanek (now freed of the Black Widow curse and playing awesome), also has Hewitt, Moya (who just beat Djoke last week) and Juan Martin del Potro in his quarter :huh:

The Serena-Justine thing is exactly what used to happen to Serena and JCap. For a while they constantly drew each other in slam quarters. Serena has got to play enough to get herself in the top 4 if she wants to stop meeting her nemesis so early in majors.

And I&#39;m taking a seat on the conspiracy train. I cannot BELIEVE that heffa Sharapova manages to be on the other half of all the players who can and have beaten her very recently (Henin, Serena, Venus, Janky and Ivanovic) yet again. Same old story with her at the slams-- she cruises to the semis and then gets her first test. With this draw I think she&#39;d have to be injured not to make the final. Tournament directors really want her around in the latter rounds, maybe they are taking measures to ensure that scenario :rolleyes:

ashta
08-22-2007, 11:32 AM
there is a conspiracy.

i hope the winners comes out of the top half. they will have earned it.