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LadySapphron
01-11-2008, 08:04 AM
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny...story?track=rss (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-uscuom115533466jan11,0,3011306.story?track=rss)

And here (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/choice-words/?ref=opinion) is some good commentary from the New York Times political blog putting this incident in the larger framework of the Clinton campaign:


dnA, one of the contributors at the Too Sense blog on race and politics, sees a strategic pattern: “I think it’s become pretty clear that between Bill calling Obama a ‘kid,’ Hillary’s comments belittling MLK, Shaheen’s suggestion that Obama would be asked if he was a drug dealer, Bob Kerrey repeatedly invoking Obama’s ‘Muslim background’ and this statement from Clinton backer Andrew Cuomo, the Clinton strategy is now an attempt to force Obama to play the race card, triggering resentment among white voters.”[/b]

I used to love me some Bill Clinton, but I'm quickly losing respect for him, his wife, and their campaign tactics.

aquababie19
01-11-2008, 08:57 AM
i saw this foolishness on some website yesterday. i'm not too sensitive about things. however someone is shucking & jiving makes you automatically think about the black candidate.

how can they not say they're not playing dirty?

marissasensei
01-11-2008, 10:37 AM
Here's more of the quote:


"It's not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can't just buy your way through that race ... It doesn't work that way, it's frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with 10 people in a living room.

"You can't shuck and jive at a press conference, you can't just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room.

"And I think it's good for the candidates. I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you're communicating. And I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good ..."

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Meh. :dunno: Can't get too upset about this, as it's not clear that he was targeting Obama. Contrary to the implication of this thread's title, it's not as if he said, "You. Obama. You can't shuck and jive. . . " Unfortunate word choice? Definitely. But there have been enough instances where people have very explicitly gone after Obama (the MLK/LBJ thing with Hillary, Shaheen's "drug dealer" comment, Fox "news" always referring to him by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, etc.) to get pissed off about without having to read betwen the lines and ascribe sinister motives when they're not so clear.

ValleyOfDecision
01-11-2008, 10:55 AM
Sent to me from a friend who got it from AlterNet (you can read the comments about the article on the AlterNet website):

NY Atty General Uses Racist Expression in Reference to Obama
By Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend (http://www.pamshouseblend.com/)
Posted on January 10, 2008, Printed on January 11, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/73399

Oh no he didn't. (TPM):

During an appearance yesterday on talk radio - at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears - New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words with a very troublesome racial history, apparently in reference to Barack Obama.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. He then added, "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference. All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

You see folks, this is what I'm talking about. This whole "post-racial" nonsense is a simple fantasy or delusion uttered by people who think race isn't a problem anymore. I'd like that to be the case as much as anyone else, but the fact of the matter is for Democrats, the alleged party of tolerance, this kind of bush-league nonsense exposes the real problem -- that the lack of engagement on how race and political races bring out the worst in people, and plays to the base fears of voters.

As predicted, Clinton supporter Andrew Cuomo unleashes "shuck and jive" then issues a statement that his comments were "taken out of context," since he later complimented Obama. [Be prepared to see that statement trotted out frequently in the future when it comes to incidents like this.]

"It was never about Obama in the first place," Cuomo told me of the use of the phrase, which he said he was using "as a synonym for 'bob and weave'.'"

My god. I know the smarter-than-thou political set thinks we're all rubes out here, but come on, this is incredible. This is what "shuck and jive" means, and it doesn't have anything to do with boxing, rope-a-dope, or anything benign:

"To shuck and jive" originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in power, both during the period of slavery and afterwards. The expression was documented as being in wide usage in the 1920s, but may have originated much earlier.

"Shucking and jiving" was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, "Oh, yes, Master," and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of "doin' the old shuck 'n jive."

What's really sorry is that in this DKos thread there are people actually running for cover and either 1) denying Cuomo supports Senator Clinton (he endorsed her, but is not part of the campaign) or 2) that the use of shuck and jive isn't a big deal and Obama supporters are exploiting this "gaffe." This is sad, and the vitriol in the thread only proves my point about how raw race discussions can be when they only surface in situations like this, rather when tempers aren't heated. DnA:

What I wish Obama would say, but won't and shouldn't:

It's nice of Mr. Cuomo to lift his face out of a plate of Spaghettios and take off his mirrored shades to comment on the Democratic Primary. Will he be breaking my legs so as to keep me from running off the plantation, or is he going to get Paulie Walnuts to do it?

See this is why I can't run for office.

The only way Obama can win is by not taking the bait. Unfortunately, if he wants to keep the goodwill of white voters, he has to play down what was an flagrantly racist insult.

Sigh. The downward spiral. Obama cannot take the bait lest he be seen as the angry negro. I have been blogging for some time now about the Democrats willing to "go there" that will be paired with equal amounts of innocent "deniability". As I said, we're going to see that "out of context" bs a lot more now.

And make no mistake, the eruptions of misogyny toward Clinton from all corners make it clear how raw those discussions are as well. This campaign is going to be extremely messy and divisive; the question is whether people are going to actually engage these problems head on, or keep playing whack-a-mole when uncomfortable, offensive events like these pop up. Pols, pundits and people in general are doing everything they can to make this election "post-racial" and too much is emerging that not much has changed.

Pam Spaulding blogs at Pam's House Blend.
© 2008 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/73399

LBellatrix
01-11-2008, 11:08 AM
What I wish Obama would say, but won't and shouldn't:

It's nice of Mr. Cuomo to lift his face out of a plate of Spaghettios and take off his mirrored shades to comment on the Democratic Primary. Will he be breaking my legs so as to keep me from running off the plantation, or is he going to get Paulie Walnuts to do it?

See this is why I can't run for office.

The only way Obama can win is by not taking the bait. Unfortunately, if he wants to keep the goodwill of white voters, he has to play down what was an flagrantly racist insult.

Sigh. The downward spiral. Obama cannot take the bait lest he be seen as the angry negro. I have been blogging for some time now about the Democrats willing to "go there" that will be paired with equal amounts of innocent "deniability". As I said, we're going to see that "out of context" bs a lot more now.

And make no mistake, the eruptions of misogyny toward Clinton from all corners make it clear how raw those discussions are as well. This campaign is going to be extremely messy and divisive; the question is whether people are going to actually engage these problems head on, or keep playing whack-a-mole when uncomfortable, offensive events like these pop up. Pols, pundits and people in general are doing everything they can to make this election "post-racial" and too much is emerging that not much has changed.[/b]

:lol: at the bold part, and heavy :yes: and :clap: to the rest.

The minute Obama puts one little TOENAIL towards taking the bait in a REAL way, white folks -- including a lot of these so-called "progressives" will shut his azz (and his campaign) down.

Actually, this kind of messiness could be a GOOD thing for our country. I have long said that I'm tired of the bullsh** rhetoric surrounding race issues. If this race could get us all talking some REAL talk about race, then it may all be for the good, regardless of whether Obama gets elected (and I still have my doubts that he will).

swingbolder
01-12-2008, 01:04 PM
Yeah, the so-called progressive white liberals show their true colors. They're fine with you as long as you stay in your place.

tangytic
01-13-2008, 06:36 PM
I have long said these progressive white liberals have NO RESPECT for black people. We are either helpless, dumb kids who can't walk a straight line unless they outline it in florescent paint, or we are violent beasts who need to be adopted by our peace loving white counterparts who want to show us off to each other as newly tamed pets.

I hope Hillary has someone lurking - You can't have my vote, you aren't planning to do a thing for me that I want done. I am not fooled by you or the ice water substitute for blood that is running through your viens. In the immortal words of Judge Judy, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Sounding like she fell out of a scene from The Color Purple - I&#39;m Miss Hilly, Clinton&#39;s wife. I&#39;ve always been good to cullids. <_< Just an evil woman and Bill and minnions are no better.
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:clap:

Yes he should know about shucking and jivin. He spent many years shucking and jivin all throughout Harlem.

Batyah
01-15-2008, 05:37 PM
:lol: at the bold part, and heavy :yes: and :clap: to the rest.

The minute Obama puts one little TOENAIL towards taking the bait in a REAL way, white folks -- including a lot of these so-called "progressives" will shut his azz (and his campaign) down.

Actually, this kind of messiness could be a GOOD thing for our country. I have long said that I&#39;m tired of the bullsh** rhetoric surrounding race issues. If this race could get us all talking some REAL talk about race, then it may all be for the good, regardless of whether Obama gets elected (and I still have my doubts that he will).
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I feel the same way to a degree. I do not think Obama will get the nomination and I feel that perhaps the overall purpose for him running in the first place is to shake things up and to get folks talking about what REALLY needs to be done in this country, and to bring back some sort of &#39;hope&#39; in the democratic system. :dunno:





Yeah, the so-called progressive white liberals show their true colors. They&#39;re fine with you as long as you stay in your place.
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And they don&#39;t miss a beat to be sure to put you in your place when you decide to step out of line! <_< I see it all the time! And yet, a lot of us still run sniffing behind them trying to unite with them!! Go figure! :icon_headshake:

honeybunch2k5
01-17-2008, 03:53 PM
I used to love me some Bill Clinton, but I&#39;m quickly losing respect for him, his wife, and their campaign tactics.
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The more I learn the more I lose respect for them and politicians in general.

napturallyme
01-18-2008, 08:22 AM
The more I learn the more I lose respect for them and politicians in general.
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Me too

I&#39;m not feeling the Clintons anymore

LuaBonita
01-21-2008, 04:10 PM
all of this drama is making me want to follow this stuff more closely than anticipated... yall better expect questions from me :lol: im off to do some reading

these people have lost their d@mn minds... one comment after another. this is ridiculous

prttygrl21
01-22-2008, 08:27 AM
I thought Newsweek&#39;s little comment on it was amusing. They had a little section called the "dignity index."

Sorry, I Meant to Say Something Not Offensive
NEWSWEEK
Jan 21, 2008 Issue

A weekly mathematical survey of dubious behavior that measures, on a scale of 1 to 100, just how low a person can go.

First Mitt Romney swipes Obama&#39;s "change" buzzword. Then, after wet eyes help out Hillary, Mitt goes weepy, too. Whatever works, huh? Score: 19

Britney Spears is about as undignified as they come right now, but you know what&#39;s even worse, Dr. Phil McGraw? Leeching off Britney Spears. Score: 62

Clintonite Andrew Cuomo uses the phrase "shuck and jive" in discussing the presidential race. Says he meant "bob and weave"—same idea, only without the racially-charged overtones. Score: 79

EmpressRi
01-23-2008, 10:00 AM
all of this drama is making me want to follow this stuff more closely than anticipated... yall better expect questions from me :lol: im off to do some reading

these people have lost their d@mn minds... one comment after another. this is ridiculous
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i so agree sis, that&#39;s why ive been trying to see every little thing i can.